Artificial hormones symptoms and conditions

I just had my mirena removed after 4 1/2 years in hopes of becoming pregnant. I can't say that I had any complaints about the mirena while it was in, I didn't have any periods ever, I only had mild cramps every 2 months or so, and I didn't notice my mood being affected. However, after having it out for about 3 weeks now, I notice I have increased energy in general and overall I am feeling "better", even though I didn't realize I wasn't feeling great before. The most astonishing thing is my increased sex drive...I'm sure my husband isn't complaining but its like we are newlyweds again! I didn't realize how much my libido had dropped off. I honestly don't think I will ever do a birth control with hormones again, I feel like great now and I don't want to ruin it with artificial hormones anymore.

I believe the Mirena was in direct relation to my developing anxiety, migraines and eventual miscarriage with complications after removal. The makers of this device states that the hormone stays within the uterus, but how can that be? Being one who doesn't tolerate artificial hormones well at all, my doc suggested this IUC stating the same. Ridiculous!!! I bled for 6 months after insertion...was told to wait it out. I developed anxiety which led to 911 calls thinking I was having a heart attack. I also had increasing amount of headaches and dizziness. After two years of increasing medical problems, I had the Mirena removed. Not surprising, my headaches and dizziness decreased, however, anxiety is still a problem, but not as bad as before when using the Mirena.
As for getting pregnant after removal...my best friend and I had almost identical experiences with our miscarriage. Both of us had the IUC removed, both of us became pregnant, both of us miscarried around 5-6 weeks and the development of this whole experience has many more similar details that are more than coincidence. Fortunately, my friend was ok, however, I ended up hemorrhaging and retained tissue/clot and have been dealing with this for nearly a month. I'm extremely anemic and stressed. I KNOW that the Mirena damaged my uterus and I now terribly fearful to try to get pregnant again because of the horrible experience I had.

hi i ve had my mirena for about 10 years and thinking off having it removed i never for 1 moment thought that my problems could be because of the iud,but can anyone tell me how the mirena causes the problems like bloatedness tiredness and well how can i but it,being grumpy

So I made an appointment to have my mirena removed on Monday. However, i am scared now that my post symptoms are going to be far more worse than they are now but, it needs to be done. So, if you have had it removed can you please reply to this posting so i can have some idea as to what i could be facing?

I feel compelled to post to this site because it's a big part of why I chose to have my Mirena removed. I had it in for two weeks before having it removed because of ever-increasing depression that started after one week. I also was passing large clots and I think my hair was starting to fall out in greater amounts. After two weeks I found myself standing at the kitchen counter making breakfast and balling my eyes out for "no reason." I had had a pretty bad bout of post-partum depression two years ago, and this felt like being right back there. But why? Then it hit me, I wonder if it could be Mirena. Long story short, I found this site and many others like it (do read the article for doctors that reports 5% or more women experience depression), called and got it removed that afternoon, and the clouds parted that night and the sun came out the next day. It was a 180 degree turn around for me within 48 hours. I feel completely back to normal, thank goodness! There is no doubt it was the Mirena. Also, it had come out of place and was sitting in my cervix, which my doctor said probably caused the clotting. I'm so glad it's out. No more artificial hormones for me. I think I'm one of those women who just can't handle them. I hope this helps someone else, as this site helped me so much. Good luck everyone!

Jill in Little Rock, Ark.

I've never responded to a site like this, but now feel compelled to. I had my Mirena fitted 13months ago, after a friend recommended it on the strength of her excellent experience with it. I was on anti-depressants already, so haven't felt an overwhelming sense of depression, but have been thinking for the past 10 months or so, that I get way more tired, have an overall achy body often, painful joints and swollen ankles. All stuff I never experienced before. But the thing that really did it for me was the weight gain. I was only slightly over normal weight at the time of insertion but have been gaining weight steadily. Initially I thought it was just a bit over over-indulgence, but after weighing myself last week, I've made the horrifying discovery that I've gained 13kg in 13 months!!!!!!!! I've never fluctuated more than about 4 kg in my whole life, eat healthily and am normally active. Nothing has changed to what I was eating/doing before. I specifically searched the internet today to see if weight-gain is a problem. It's not listed as a major side-effect on the 'official' sites, yet I see it on many of the postings on this one.
And for those of you who are into alternative therapies, I had myself checked with a kinesiologist for dietary intolerances/allergies that could have caused this weight issue, and what came up is that the problem is progesterone. When she checked if my Mirena was a problem for me, it came up VERY positive. When checked if I should have it removed, the response was equally positive.
It's a pity, as I had none of the other problems mentioned and it's such a convenient method of bc. But in my case it's coming out, before I have to come out as a seriously obese 41 yr old!!!!!

I have been taking BCP since I was 18. I started w/ Aleese, Yasmin, Orthotrycyclin-Lo, Ortho Evra and the last being Loestrin24Fe. The sad part is that I can't remember what/if any side effects I had while taking those prior to Loestrin24Fe. Unfortunately for me, I have managed to gain 30lbs in the last 5yrs and I cannot seem to get rid of it. Of course the gyno said it wouldn't have been the BCP, but I would like to believe I didn't make myself a fat ass. I was taking Loestrin24Fe for 2 years and can't say I noticed too big of a change while taking it other than the periods being shorter, but they were still very heavy. But my acne has started to get worse the past year. In May I went to the doctor for my migraine's and skin/hair (too oily). After running blood tests it showed my thyroid was pretty low and had room for improvement. I was prescribed Maxalt for my migraine's and 30mg of Armour (thyroid medicine). I went back at the end of June and we upped the Armour to 60mg because I haven't noticed a difference since taking it. She also suggested I switch my BCP to Yasmin as it's been known to help with acne problems. Today was my 2nd day on Yasmin....and obviously it's too soon to notice if/what side effects will bother me. I just wonder if maybe I should take a break from BCP all together and allow my body a chance to breathe. I really hate the thought of having that longer period again but I'm going to have it with Yasmin anyway unless I choose to start a new pack early every month (to keep same schedule as Loestrin24Fe). Advice would be helpful :)

Has anyone had extreme heavy bleeding/clots after having the Mirena removed? This is day 3. The last time I had such heavy bleeding I had just had my son. When do you start to worry about the bleeding?

I wanted to let all the women who are currently experiencing the horrible side effects of Mirena know that all your symptoms will disappear within one week of having the device removed! I had been off of birth control for 8 years as my body could not tolerate the artificial hormones. My Gyno was excited to tell me all about Mirena, a birth control method that would work with limited "localized" progesterone. I was concerned about taking any hormones, but my Gyno, who I really liked, assured me that I had no reason to be concerned. The procedure was easy enough, with only mild cramping for a couple of days, I was initially excited. Three days later, the emotional side effects began. I had extreme anxiety and depression, my insomnia was so bad I went days without sleeping. At 29 years old, I had never experienced any of these symptoms before, and they came on so abruptly, despite the fact that I had no reason to be feeling this way, on paper my life couldn't be better. At its worst, I had no energy for living and felt as though I couldn't live another day. My boyfriend was so concerned about my total transformation and "dead eyes" that he started doing research and found thousands of posts about the horrors of Mirena. I contacted my GYNO and she told me that there was absolutely no connection and that I should look to go on Lexapro. WHAT! I went from a very even tempered, happy women with no history of emotional distress to a nightmare within 4 days and you want to prescribe me a psychiatric drug over the phone. I declined the 'script and demanded an appointment to have it removed, despite her assertion that it would be a waste of money as Mirena wasn't causing my symptoms. I had it taken out and within one week, I was back to myself 100%!!!! To all the women on this board, don't wait to take it out, whatever you paid for it isn't worth the price you pay for it emotionally and physically. I am sure my former GYNO thinks it was psychosomatic, but I know the truth. MAKE YOUR APPOINTMENT TODAY!

I got Mirena 10 weeks after having my second Child. That was in December 2007. Since then I have absolutely NO sex drive at all!! I get irritable about sex and angry at even the thought of it. I have had low abdominal pain for the last 3 months and feel like I have put on weight around my belly and Butt and hips that I don't remember having even after my last child was born hmmm. I was told to get this because it is a low dose hormone that is localized to your uterus and not your whole body but now I am having major thoughts of getting it OUT! My hands have been sore and feel swollen in the morning and my joints have all been hurting for the past 4 months or so. I am young but feel as if I am aging very rapidly because of my health issues. I feel the same way as some though that if I get it out I don't have any options of birth control because I am nursing and I got pregnant last time while taking the mini pill and breastfeeding. I don't want to do anything permanent either because we may want to have another child in the distant future. After reading all the complaints from others though I am going to call my Doctor today and see what she says.

Hi all, I was on Yasmin for close to two years until I had heart palpitations that prompted me to get off of it immediately. I also dealt with many side effects mentioned in other posts, but my heart condition was a scary wake-up call. I am still dealing with the heart palps after being off of it for over a month.

I think maybe you all need to consider - The side affects you mention could be because you are a woman!! The following side affects that women search for and try to find answers for are all typical symptoms that I have had all my life as a woman. Whether on birth control, off birth control, pregnant or not. My life circumstance, relationship, age all make a difference. At any given time I could blame these symptoms on "birth control" but I don't think it is that simple.
-anxiety/mood swings/erratic behaviour
-headaches
-weight gain
-cramps, water retention, swelling etc.
Anyway, I suggest you all try to be reasonable and consider other possible causes of your symptoms? Exercise, eating right, relaxation, relationship building, all of these things can eleviate MOST of these symptoms. By the way, been on Aviane and switched to Yasmin, no difference, sex drive is actually increased, feel good not symptoms if anything , better now and had serious cystic acne and is now gone.

SINCE MY LAST POST (AUG 7TH) THAT I MENTIONED THAT I WOULD BE TAKING OUT THE MIRENA WILL I HAD IT TAKEN OUT YESTURDAY (AUG. 8TH) MORNING...CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL ME HOW LONG AFTER I HAVE THIS THING OUT WILL MY SYSTEM GO BACK TO NORMAL??? THE ANXIETY IS ALREADY GETTING TO ME ESPECIALLY CUZ I GET IT REALLY BAD AT NIGHTS TO THE POINT WHERE I CANT SLEEP.... HAS THAT HAPPENED TO ANYBODY??? THIS IS THE FIRST AND LAST TIME I PUT ANY ARTIFICIAL HORMONES IN MY BODY, I HAVE BEEN THROUGH "HELL" SINCE I HAD THAT MIRENA IN ME..ALL I WANT IS TO GO BACK TO MY GOOD OLD NORMAL SELF!!!

Hello! I have been on Yasmin since I was 18 years old (I just turned 22), but in the last 6 months I started getting panic attacks. I have always been very self confident and have never had problems with anxiety ever. I never thought to check into my bc pills because I have been taking them for some time and have never had a problem. But now that I look back I did stop and start them again 5-6 months before the symptoms started. So Im not sure if this would be from that, but Im desparate to find some type of solution.

hi guest 33365,
well done for being so supportive of your wife.
I had all of those symptoms plus more that your wife has had.
My husband eventually begged me to stop taking yasmin.
Maybe some women are not suited to taking any of the contraceptive pills.
Personally since i stopped taking artificial hormones i have felt so much better.
For me, yasmin was the pill with the most side effects.
My blurry eyesight disappeared after stopping the yasmin.
Look up naprotechnology.
It is a great and safe alternative.
Best of luck
murph70

hi guest 31475,
i do not know what other birth control pill would be better than yasmin as i have only taken dianette (about 10 years ago) and yasmin. a very low dose pill may be ok yasmin seems to have quite high levels of hormones compared to some of the older brands of pills. yasmin is considered a new generation pill so maybe one of the original types may be better. yasmin has not been proven to better than any other brand i think that just because it is one of the newer types it is more readily prescribed. talk to your health care giver about the problems you have had with the artificial hormones and they may be able to recommend a brand. I will not be trying any form of hormonal birth control in the future as i had no idea that something so seamingly simple could have such a detremental effect on my health and my quality of life.
have you considered non hormonal types of birth control? as mentioned below there is a copper IUD and i think there is also a low dose progesterone IUD that does not get into the blood so may not cause the same side effects as oral contraceptives. i don't much about them as i have decided to stick to non hormonal,plain & simple condoms for now at least i know i will not get any side effects from them!

Dear Sophie!

So sad to hear, that you're feeling that bad again...
And I know, that I might be telling the same in every of my posts... But at the point of 6 months without Yasmin I felt exactly the same way as you do now!

I really thought it never would get better and I was about to doubt Yasmin as the reason for all this. Every few days I had thoughts like "Well, if it's still not gone it might not be the Yasmin" or "I'm so afraid that it's really all in my head and has nothing do do with Yasmin" and so on...... And only my mother and my husband kept telling me in such times, that it IS the Yasmin and that it definitely takes MUCH MORE time to get that stuff out of my body than a few months...

I think those doubts are pretty normal, because there is nearly NO doc, who's telling you the same. Most of them keep saying, that you have to be healthy within a few months after Yasmin or it was not the reason.

And Sophie: This is DEFINITELY WRONG!!! I found two docs in all that nightmare who kept telling me, that it might last a long time, even until the rest of Yasmin ist really gone out of my body. My family doc explained it that way: The chemical hormones really stick within your tissue and every cell of your body after taking it that long. And it's not pulled out of it and you fat tissue within a few months!!

Some other woman wrote about a few months ago here in this forum, that she even believes, that if the weight you put on during Yasmin goes down again, there are still rests of that artificial hormones released as the fat tissue is slowly catabolizing. And that's exactly how it feels for me!! My weight is going down every month about 2 - 3 pounds. Very slowly though, but it is!! And every few weeks I have bouts of Yasmin-Symptoms again. Well, that might also still be caused by my hormonal balance which is still not where it should be.

Ok, just a few thoughts. Perhaps it can help you a bit Sophie. I wish so much, it would!!

The other one who said "Please take Prozac": Ok, I'm really glad, if it's helping you somehow. But I'm sure enough, too, that there might be problems again, when you try to get off that stuff in a few months. I was on "Zoloft" which is an SSRI, too, and had the worst times of my life within that ONE WEEK on it! Surely not everyone is the same and perhaps you should try it, if you really think you can't bare those symptoms any longer... I stood it for about 1,5 years now and the year before I didn't feel healthy, too, as the problems began to rise there already. And believe me: Those were the hardest times of my life so far! I never thought that you can suffer that heavy way without dying as a result of it!

But you can, and I stood it without chemical medications. The Valerian helped me very much in very hard times, when I felt a panic attack rising or I just felt nervous and anxious somehow. And it gave me no side effects at all...

The other very important thing: I started to distract myself as soon as I somehow felt able to do that! I listened to music again, tried to do some light garden work, played computer games, read books and so on... It's very important to find yourself some things, which you really LIKE to do to distract yourself from thinking about yourself and your symptoms constantly!

My husband started to take me out again to parties or just go for a walk and so on. And even if I had some panic attacks (AGAIN: NOT AT ALL AS BAD AS WITH YASMIN!) or I felt weak and anxious during that things, afterwards I felt proud of my, that I had got through this and was still alive! That's how I slowly learned to get back to life again!! And it was so important.

Today I still have times, when I'm feeling very weak (the last 2 days for example I had again some weak muscles and fogginess in my head, as I'm right around the time of ovulating!!) but I try to not let those days get me down too much! I just ask my husband "Will I be better again tomorrow" and he gives me the answer "Yes, you will, and you know it! It's still just your hormones getting back in balance". And that's all I have to hear to feel better and delighted again!

It's so important to have someone around you, who keeps telling you such things (even if it sounds a bit weird...) and it is sometimes the only thing that really helps!! And THEY'RE so DAMN RIGHT!!

It would be so good, if some of the women, who wrote about 1 - 2 years ago here in this forum, just to hear how they're doing now. That could be another help for people like Sophie (or sometimes even me!!) who are still within that Yasmin nightmare and don't believe in getting better with time!! Please write hear all of you out there, keep us updated on how you're doing.

Sophie I again send you a big hug and all the strenght I have today. Believe me, better days are ahead again (well, didn't you have them already within the last few months!!?? Think about it!!)!!

Oh another thing: I started writing a diary about August 2005 (that was about 6 months after stopping Yasmin!) just to have an overview over my symptoms and especially the time they are rising and then getting less again!! That showed me exactly, that everything comes up again around the same time every month! Perhaps that might be one thing to help you, too, Sophie and every other lady out there still suffering!??

I wish you all the best and stay strong everybody!!!

Just like to tell you another thing: I was a singer in a band for about the last 14 years!! I wasn't able to sing in my band for the last 2 years and you know what!? I'm on tour with them again and will be on stage every weekend in November again!! I never thought I'd be able to do this ever again!!!!

So keep your head up everbody and look into a better future!!

Silke

hi, i used to have the same anxiety when i was on yasmin,i was convinced that i had something terrible and that i was going to die. i went to my doctors and had a complet check up and everything was fine. if i start to worry now i try to think positively and keep myself busy. do you have a healthy lifestyle? if not, try to eat healthy foods (organic if posible to avoid artificial hormones in meat etc) take a good vitamin supplement and excercise,the fitter you are the more confidence you will have in your body.it works i promise! please keep telling yourself when you get worried that you are fine and just keep reassuring yourself hopefully your mind will pick up this new way of thinking and will not keep drifting back to the negative patterns. i hope some of that helps you.

Hi Guest 31031!!

Well, out of my experiences with getting off Yasmin, everything looks "pretty normal" (as far as you can say so though....) what's going on with your daughter!!

I've been off Yasmin for about 1,5 years now and still struggling with those problems around ovulation and the time, where my period should start (didn't get it regularly ever since stopping Yasmin!!!).

And another thing: 4 weeks off Yasmin isn't really much, I fear! How long had your daughter been taking Yasmin?

I had been on it for about 5 very long YEARS... And therefor I think I'm having harder times to get back to normal than someone whou only took it for about 1 year or even shorter...

But give it more time, please! At the time of 4 weeks I still felt totally ill and down. And after that time I had those problems every few weeks again, and always around ovulation and starts of my period!

The only thing that you could do is stand by the side of your daughter, keep her going with always telling her, that it WILL get better again after a few days or weeks. And this is one thing I CAN REALLY PROMISE!! It WILL get better again!!

That's what everyone around me (my husband and my parents) always kept telling me, when I was again at that point, where I thought I couldn't go on any longer. And it was the only thing that helped me not to loose hope!! And they were so right!! The nightmare always stopped again after a few days or weeks and I felt myself getting better again!!

Hormonal problems are nothing which can be solved within a few weeks. And the Yasmin-poison takes much longer to get out of your system than only a few weeks. And only when it is completely OUT the hormonal system can start to rebalance without that artificial hormones.

I can imagine how hard it is to see your daughter in such a bad constitution. It was the same with my parents and husband. They were all so worried but a very important thing is: Don't let her know, how worried you are!! Always try to stay strong and sure in telling her, better times are ahead!!

I wish you all the best and god's bless and I swear, you'll get through this with your daughter. And please tell her, that she's not alone, we're all feeling with her!!

Silke

hi jess,
the symptoms you have could well be down to yasmin,you may be hyper sensative to the effects of the artificial hormones,i think it depends what state your hormones are in before you start taking this stuff. i felt great on it for about six months,pain free periods,slight weight loss,reduction of cycle related acne etc. but then things started to change and i became ill both physically and mentally with no explanation,i felt that way for 1 year until i found this site and stopped taking yasmin,since then all my symptoms have pretty much vanished although they resurface briefly during ovulation-menstruation but that is because my hormones are still out of whack. my advice would be if you are feeling a bit off talk to your doctor and see if there is an alternative to yasmin,if you are starting to feel closteraphobic (sorry can't spell !) and never have before then i would think that yasmin may effect you badly mentally,something to do with oral contraceptives depleting seratonin levels,most of us on this site have had panic attacks/anxiety attacks along with agoraphobia or paranoid delusions,we are not mental it is this pill! some people do really well on it and feel sick for a couple of weeks then improve but i suspect if you are feeling bad after a few days then it may not be the right pill for you. sorry for the long post but it really upsets me when more and more women are being prescribed this rubbish that has nearly destroyed so many women here,all the symptoms we experience are to similar to be coincidental,the one common factor is that we have all taken yasmin.
best of luck to you whatever you decide to do,i hope you feel better soon.

birth control pills in general seem to cause problems with regards to depression and anxiety so it is quite possible that your previous contraceptive caused your depression although an unhappy marriage probably didn't help the situation much. yasmin seems to be one of the worst pills for causing emotional instability,i am not sure why. it seems to affect women that had an underlying hormonal problem before they went on it so maybe makes a hormone imbalance worse..... i'm just guessing really. i used birth control before i had my 2 girls and never had a problem but went onto yasmin after i had breast fed my second child for a year as my hormones were all over the place,within six months i was an emotional and physical wreck. anyway,i am glad that you have come off yasmin and are feeling better,see how you feel in a few months time before trying the anti-depressant route again,you may find that you will get better naturally and also deciding to end an unhappy marriage may improve your depression. my doctor suggested anti-depressants but i never took them and now i have been off yasmin for 4 months i am glad i didn't as i am clearly not depressed at all it was just the artificial hormones causing the depresiion/anxiety/panic attacks and horrible horrible physical side effects. i can't stress how important it is to take a good b complex supplement as well as vitamin B6,magnesium and maybe some added zinc. and drink loads of water,it really does help. good luck with your recovery and really enjoy your time with your daughter,my youngest is now 3,they grow up so fast and i felt like i had wasted so much of my precious time with her through my yasmin induced nightmare.

sarah

I had to stop taking Yasmin after six weeks (a pack and a half). I had been on Ortho 777 for about 20 years was experiencing severe PMS symptoms for 14 days per month. So, the doc switched me to Yasmin. I had severe diarrhea for the entire six weeks and lost eight pounds that I didn't need to lose. I looked and felt so very ill. I had no appetite and was nauseated all of the time. By the last few days, I was experiencing panic attacks at night. I was extremely dehydrated, my skin was dry and lips were chapped. By the second pack of pills, the veins in my lower left leg began to pop out, and I was experiencing a warm sensation along the side of my shin--not warm to the touch, but warm from the inside out. After one final night of violent diarrhea and anxiety, I threw out the pills. After the first pack I phoned the doc's office and the nurse told me that it usually takes two to three months for a woman's body to adjust to a new pill. But these side effects were much too much to handle. Now that I've been off of them for a few days, my appetite is back, BMs coming back to normal, and I feel like a fog has been lifted from my brain. Not sure if it was the drug itself or the dehydration, but I was so listless and out of it. I'm coming back to my normal self, and I am very grateful for it. No more artificial hormones for me; my body needs to heal. Old fashioned condoms, spermicide, and hope that my 42-year-old ovaries are petering out.

hi all,i have been off yasmin for 3 days now,i am not expecting any miracles yet! i stopped taking it with 5 pills still in the pack so expect to get a withdrawl bleed any day now, it may be all in my head but my anxiety seems less although i still get palpitations at night,the only down side is i seem to have had a pressure headache for the last 2 days and also a sore throat,could be a coicidence, that is the trouble as we do not know exactly what yasmin does and does not do it's hard to say "oh it's definately this that or the other"! My philosophy at the moment is ..... it may make a difference it may not but either way i know i am still going to have to cope with the aftermath and the memories of the anxiety but by stopping pumping my body full of artificial hormones i can rule it out as a cause of my weird and not so wonderful symptoms! Thanks to all have posted your stories on here,i felt so alone and felt that maybe i was going crazy,my doctors just wanted to send me to the shrink and put me on pills. but now i have taken control of my situation i feel much improved mentally even if not physically yet, hopefully that will come once this crap is out of my system! you're all stars and i wish you all the best with your recovery! i will be sending my sceptical pill pushing dr to this site so maybe he will think twice next time someone comes in feeling like we have and is taking yasmin!

Hi minoosh!!

Thank you for your posting. That gives back a little hope to me, as I didn't get my normal period for over a YEAR now (went off Yasmin in February 2005!!). I really don't know, what I should do, and even don't know IF I should do something... I'm so tired of taking ANY medicine or doing ANYTHING to my body, after all I went through for about the last 1 1/2 years...

I thought, I'll give my body time until the middle of 2006 and then decide, what to do and IF something to do....

Well, nevertheless I feel very happy for you!! :)

Perhaps I'll go on and search for a naturopath, too, because I suppose this to be the only way, that something or someone can help.... But one thing I'm sure of: I'll NEVER take any artificial hormones again in my life!!

Best wishes to all of you!!

Silke

Thanks Twogirlsmom, did your BP go down after being off the pill?!? That's what worries me the most. I saw my family doctor that same afternoon, and he put me on two week checkups until things are back to normal. Then I have been doing a lot of research over the weekend, about BCP and artificial hormones, I just dont think it's a good thing at all. I'm not even going to try anymore either. I know of some all-natural products that (while they are not at all BC) are some balancing creams and vitamins that will get me back in balance in no time I think. Have you looked into all natural solutions?