Heating pad symptoms and conditions

I really wish I would have found this site before making the decision to have Mirena inserted. I had it put in yesterday, September 24,2009. It was the most painful things I have experienced. My Gyn had told me that I would have "period type camps" for a couple of hours after insertion. Well I spent my entire day on the couch with a heating pad on high and 800MG of Motrin. None of this touched the pain. I ended up having to take a sleeping aid so that I could go to sleep and hoped I would wake up the next morning feeling much better. Well I woke up this morning and the cramping was not as bad, but still more than "period type cramps". I also noticed that I was having very bad lower back pain. I was cleaning my house and every time I moved the pain would be stabbing. I have not spotted at all yet, but I know it has only been a day. Today I was working and noticed that my right arm went numb from the elbow to my finger tips and my eyes seem very tired.
I am a little upset because the Mirena booklet did not discuss any of these side effects. And also my Gyn had made it sound really promising because I cannot take regular birth control pills. I think I will be calling them on Monday and asking to have it removed. I really wish I would have done more research before having this done.

I'm just about to finish my first pack of aviane and already i'm just not myself at all. it wasn't my choice to get on BC and i'm not sexually active but i started my period 2 weeks before i was supposed to and i got cramps really badly and nothing would help them except using a heating pad. and my boyfriend has even noticed i'm not myself, like i don't feel like kissing him or anything. but i'm hoping these side affects go away soon.

i just recently had the Mirena put in on 8/5/09. i would rather go thru child birth again, then have to deal with the pain of it being put in. When i got home from the dr. that day i could barely walk and felt sick to my stomach. After the excessive vomiting i took a nap with a heating pad and woke up hours later feeling much better. The last few days i have had horrible stomach and back pains. Is this normal or should i call my doctor??

I took Yasmin for years and was perfectly normal and totally functional. The pharmacy automatically switched me to Ocella last fall. I was ok up until around this past March. I have experienced extreme heart palpitations, horrible panic attacks and my very favorite has been the excruciating back and abdominal muscle pain (I'm on a heating pad every night for 4 hours). I feel like death. Have been to every doctor and have had every test done (cardiologist, family, obgyn, etc.) - I'm just plain crazy according to them!!! I'm 39, have 2 kids and a husband, teach school full time and I'm convinced I won't live to see 45. I have been starting to see commercials about lawsuits against Yaz, Yasmin, and Ocella. I think the pill I took this morning is the last Ocella I'm ever going to swallow. Has anyone else experienced any of these symptoms?

My eight year old son was diagnosed with mild asthma by our GP and was taking Ventolin for a persistent cough. When this didn't relieve the cough the doctor prescribed Singulair. He started the Singulair in March 2009 and within 2 months we realized that his personality had dramatically changed. It has taken us a while to figure out what was going on because eight year old boys are starting to assert themselves more and I think the side effects have been escalating over the last month. He was angry most of the time, very hateful towards his siblings, saying very dark, nasty, hurtful things. He argued every time we asked him to do something and would snap into a screaming inconsolable emotional wreck at the drop of a hat many times a day over trivial or imagined problems. He was having nightmares and bursts of hyperactivity that were overwhelming. He told us he felt frustrated all the time and hated everything. When we tried to calm him he was unreachable. Just yesterday he had his fist clenched and pulled back ready to punch me when I was trying to help him with a computer problem. He was shaking and his face was contorted with rage and he just wasn't my little boy anymore.
It has been devastating for our family and we were ready to take him to a psychologist. He is normally an incredibly considerate, perceptive, loving child, highly intelligent, helpful and fun loving with a great sense of humor.
He has also complained of leg pains and has been wetting the bed again. It was only yesterday that I began reading about other people's side effects and have taken him off Singulair as of last night. Whilst he has still been argumentative today already the aggressive intensity seems to be easing.
I am absolutely mortified that I allowed this to happen to my son and my family and I am so grateful to others for sharing their experiences.
We still need to address his asthma and will make an appointment with a specialist next week, but given his asthma is so mild he should not have ever had to suffer these side effects.
I only hope now that he has not sustained any long term effects and that his younger brother has not been scarred by the truly horrible things that my son has said to him.

Ladies there are some things you should consider before raging out against your BC. First of all, and your doctor should tell you this, it can take up to four months for things to straighten out, but they will straighten out. Anything that means you should stop taking the pill now should be told to you by your doctor (in fact you have to sign off on it), so PAY ATTENTION. There are obviously other less serious side effects that aren't worth putting up with, like hair loss; call your Doc and say your going to stop because your hair is falling out. I had difficulty while on LoOvral driving: I would get body aches, become disoriented, and slowly pass out. When eating/drinking water didn't cure the problem, I immediately stopped the only change I had made - taking the BC. It isn't a listed side effect, just my bad luck with it. I hadn't had the problem before and do not have it with FEMCON. You need to use a little logic. If there is an unbearable side effect, stop and change pills, but please don't rage out (unless that's your side effect). If your worried about your OBGYN trying to give you an easy fix, ask your general practitioner.

I'm going to throw weight gain in right now. I haven't had any. Furthermore, I was told that I might by my Doc. It's temporary, may take several months but it will go away. Also, you body weight fluctuates up to five pounds a day, everyday. It depends on a lot of things ie. when you last went to the bathroom, when you last ate, how much water your retaining...

I suppose the first thing I should say is why I'm on FEMCON. I have alwasy had extremely regular periods (five week cycles - so cool), starting at age nine. In middle school I began to have very painful periods. In High School, the nurse would give me a heating pad and put me to bed for the rest of the day (other girls got 15 min). The pain was so bad I cried in my sleep. When I went to college my OBGYN started me on Yaz. I went about three months with no improvement what-so-ever, and a mild increase in my depression/anxiety. So I stopped, my cycle was now regulated to four weeks and never recovered. The monthly pain reduced to a lower constant over the next few months, but now had terrible spiking shooting pains, at one point I nearly fell down the stairs. Over the next two years a couple more pills were tried with no help and irritating side effects, none lasted long. I changed doctors. My new doctor, said he wanted to try me on a high dose pill tricycle to do a sort of hormonal reset. The jury is out but it seems to be on a good trend.

I have had several side effects with FEMCON. Or at least what could be side effects. I'm currently on a study abroad so any of them could be from an environmental cause, but I'm thinking not. The most irritating has been a pretty severe case of motion sickness, if it's moving and I'm in it, I get a severe migraine, which eventually makes me very nauseous (I don't throw up for anything, but this would have had anyone else I know talking to a toilet). That is steadily going away. The addition of a ginger tablet each day to keep my stomach calm didn't hurt any, either. Second most annoying was breakthrough bleeding and cramping. Starting in the middle of my first pack I got nasty brown breakthrough bleeding (varying degrees) and moderate cramping daily. Very aggravating when your cycle is three months and it lasted the whole time. This cycle I'm don't have either. I couldn't tell you if FEMCON is effecting my depression, but I did have a nasty spell the last time I saw my brother (then again he is my brother). I seem to be doing as well as I ever have since he left. I have some breast tenderness still, mostly in the nipples. During my first cycle it could be very painful, but now doesn't bother me much. Personally, I believed that I was rather insensitive (physically speaking) before, so this may now just be a normal level of sensitivity. I never really had a sex drive before but I've got a pint sized one now. Other short-lived side effects were: nausea, occasional dizziness (continuing, but I am more inclined to blame my diet of cafeteria food at this point), swollen fingers (water retention), heavy watery discharge (not an infection).

If your pill isn't right for you, you'll know pretty quickly. If you get side effects, read the reference packet. I don't recommend reading all of the piddly side effects (ie. headache, nervousness) before hand because you may cause yourself to get them. The mind has a lot of power over the body, if you worry about side effects your just might get them as a point of mind over matter. Do not ignore anything, side effects for most BC are the same, if you've read one packet you've read 90% of every other packet. If you think your having a side effect that's dangerous deal with it immediately, if it isn't listed in your packet - go to the ER or call your Doctor on the spot. If your having one of the generic temporary ones (or worsening of a previous condition), the packet is a good place to look to see if it's normal. If you aren't happy with your BC talk to your Doc. Be smart and give things a chance to normalize. I hope this note can be helpful to people.

I had the mirena inserted yesterday, it was the most painful experience of my life and I can handle pain. I took mesoprostol to open my cervix because I am 19 and have not had any kids. I felt so sick on the mesoprostol that I did not get any sleep the might before the insertion of the mirena. That morning I could not eat anything, I was on my period web I went in for the insertion because I had tried it once before and my canal was crooked and my uterus was tilted and my cervix was too small even on the mesoprostol. So, this time it worked, but it was the most painful experience of my life. During the insertion my legs were shaking and I got cold sweats after the gyno inserted the mirena into my cervix I blacked put for about a minute and web I woke up I didn't know where I was at. I laid on the table for ten minutes trying to get my composure and not feel so weak. When I got up I threw up everywhere, ad after that was when the gyno told me all of this is normal side effects ( yeah she tells me after) the cramping was so bad and the pain was so horrible is the reason why I blacked out. I sat in the recovery room for 3 hours with a heating pad on me to help with the cramping and took ibuprofen but through it up. I couldn't keep anything down. So after 3 hours in the recovery room the cramping subsided and I had a friend come pick me up because I could not drive and I went home and slept for four hours. Today I had mild cramping and it comes and goes I am bloated. And I am always afraid it is going to come out. I hope my side effects are
Not as bad as all of yours. But all this site did was freak me out so I'm praying this doesn't happen to me because so far I have had every aide effect imaginable.

I got my Mirena in on 10/28/08. It was probably the most painful experience ever. I was in tears before they were done, once they got it in I fainted and woke up to someone taking my blood pressure. I had to wait about 30 minutes after they inserted it until I felt okay to stand. They told me I would bleed and cramp for about 3 months. The bleeding at first was heavy and constant. Now, I spot completely randomly...it does seem to be getting a little bit better but it's completely unpredictable. The cramps hurt so bad that I bought my own heating pad. Now I get cramping about twice a week...it's so bad that I have to lay in bed for hours. The summer prior to getting my mirena I noticed some weight gain. However, i am still gaining weight despite going to the gym and improving my diet. I also have bouts of acne, mostly around my jawline. I have been very fatigued as well. The past week or so it has been much more noticeable, around midday. Lower back pain has also been a side effect for me. I'm getting my mirena removed today in an hour, I will update when I return... I hope it doesn't hurt as much. I did however, love the sexual freedom that came along with mirena. I was awful at remembering my pill...hopefully I can find something else that will work as well without the side effects.

I am going to have my Mirena moved tomorrow and I am sooooooooooooo ready to get it out. I have not had a sex drive AT ALL. My period has been on for about 2 months now no-stop with spotting. I got it in Nov of 2007 I was excited b/c I didn't have to pop a pill. But getting the IUD was the worse decision I think I have ever made. I just want to get it out and start bck on bc pills b/c I don't want anything else that has to be inserted in me or anything that I have to insert myself. I have been constantly tired regardless of how many energy drinks I have and despite how many vitamins I take. Please do your research before having the iud placed. My husband is excited that I am getting it out b/c he said maybe he can actually get some loving without me saying "I'm still on my period" lol. It is constant spotting. I have had a million bacteria infections from it. It did work wonders for my menstrual cramps tough. Before the iud my cramps with my cycle were like labor pains but with the iud they were very mild. So I am not looking forward to having severe cramps again but I am excited that maybe I can be horny again.....lol!!!!!!!!! I found this website by doing a google search. I wanted to make sure it wasn't just me having these problems but now I see it's most women who have it inserted. So I am going through with my decision 100%. I will leave a update in a month after I see if things get back to normal.

I got my Mirena inserted a few months ago, and first off, the insertion was NOT what my ob-gyn said it would be. I've never had a child, but she told me just to pop a few Advil about an hour prior to insertion and it would be no big deal; it was by far the worst pain I've ever felt in my life. I was sore for a good two weeks. I woke up this morning with mind numbingly bad cramps, and could only lay there twisted in pain while my husband brought me warm towels and a heating pad until the pain subsided. My sex drive has increased to nothing, and I'm 25 and just got married in December! I love my husband and want to get back to our love life. It hurts to be repulsed by the thought of sex. I want this thing out. I'll go back to pills or whatever, just enough already. Don't let your doctors tell you it won't hurt to put it in, or that it has virtually no side effects. Really do your research before you have them put it in.

have to agree with Mrsbarrett's post right below mine...I have been a lurker on this board for the past couple of months and thank God for it or who knows how crazy i'd be right now!! Here is a list of my side effects and pertinent information:
DOI: October 2008
Side effects were gradual and most evident around the Christmas Holidays:
Dizziness
Weird eye/vision disturbance where i'd lose focus for a moment and then be okay.
Constant spotting of "old blood" nothing much but did require pantiliners 24/7
Anxiety
Hypertension (more than ever, like when I was pregnant, 150-170s/100)
Panic Attacks
Face Dryness
ZERO SEX DRIVE
No "natural" lubrication, but who cares when you have no drive, are spotting all the time, and it hurts to have sex
Vaginal Odor
Mood Swings
Depression
FATIGUE to the point of wanting to stay in bed despite having to care for my 7.5 year old.
Chest pains (kept thinking maybe I had heart trouble, had cardiac workup that came up PERFECT and bloodwork was perfect, Thyroid test was perfect)
Nausea (morning sickness type, would get slightly better in evening but not so much)
IBS symptoms (diarrhea)

DOR: January 23, 2009
2 days later heavy bleeding for a couple of days.....had somewhat of a "crash" the first week where I was still not better. By the 2nd week post removal I was still nauseated in the morning but improved in the late afternoon and got energy boost in late afternoon.By the 3rd week I was totally back to normal!!!!! (well what's normal for crazy me! hahahahha)

My husband came with me to the doc, and she had no problem with removal. I went back for a follow up this past Friday and she saw how normal I am and that I have lost several pounds as well. She realizes I am extremely sensitive to hormone changes but says i'm the only one that she has seen like that. (how many have problems that don't think it is the Mirena...that's what I want to know???)

Anyway, that's my story and i'm sticking to it!!! If anyone would like to chat or share please let me know. I will also add that I have a Masters in Physician Assistant Studies (just not practicing since becoming a SAHM) and so I looked up tons of information to figure out what was wrong with me, I really am thankful to have found this site....medical mumbo jumbo is NOTHING when you have your body telling you something and all you fine ladies......Thanks again!
~G

I had the Mirena for almost 5 years. I am in my 40's and a mother of 3. I never had heavy periods before and was never overweight. I am 5'6" and always weighed no more than 135. After my first 2 children I lost the 20 lbs I had gained very easily. After my 3rd, I had the Mirena inserted and have struggled with the weight ever since.
My GYN removed the Mirena on Feb.3 and I was okay at first. Two days later I started bleeding heavily. I had to lay down with the heating pad as much as I could for the next 3 days. Then I started to feel better. Yesterday I started spotting again and today I am bleeding heavily. I have not had sex since removing the Mirena. I have heavy clotting and bright red blood just like less than 2 weeks ago. The GYN said it could take 6 weeks for my body to get back to normal. I wish I would have never had the Mirena. Why didn't the doctor explain the side effects? Why does the pamphlet say weight gain is not a side effect? What a nightmare.

I am a male 45 years and used simivastin another statin for three and a half years. Over this time i had severe muscle pain at time then about 4 months ago the muscle pain in my legs came on with a vengeance. It started in both thighs then calfs got very tight sore ankles feet and eventually got in to my arms. A deep achey sort of a pain and an irritability that casesa feeling like a toxin in my inside elbows that makes me want to stretch all the time. I feel very weak compared to my former self. I tried many things to alleviate the pain but nothing really took the pain away or even decreased it much. sometimes i would lay and groan in agony. I especially noticed that draghts and weather changes made me feel worse????. I stopped taking the simivastin 6 weeks ago. I have not had a lot of improvement but must admit thet i have been trying to push my self over this and probably done more damage. My ck levels are normal but my liver enzyme is increased a little. I started also to take q10 and L- carnitine along with magnesium. I might be improving a little each day but nothing definite. I saw a rheumatologist who has no diagnosis and isn't to committal on whether the statin is to blame. He put me on celebrex which has finally given me some relief. Can anyone relate to the worsening of symptoms with cooler changes in weather? and is there anything else i could do to hasten recovery? Thank you to all contributors on this board although it is the first time i have contributed this board has been a scores of help to me.

Gotta love the internet! I too have the Mirena IUD. It's been 2 to 3 months now and I have EXTREME PAIN IN BOTH KNEES AND RECENT ONSET OF BACK PAIN. I sit with a heating pad on my back every night and can barely walk. I talked to my gyn about the knee pain, and she said there's no correlation. I family md didn't make the connection either. I suspected it might be the iud because it's the only change I've made in my life since the onset of all this incredible pain. I'm making an appt to have it removed. Biggest mistake I've made all year! Thanks for all your input! I'm not crazy after all.

I am 25 years old and I have received 2 of the 3 shots.I do not remember when exactly I got the first one but I received my 2nd one in June.The first time my arm was sore for awhile and i remember feeling a little dizzy after the injection but nothing to be worried about my doctors made sure I was ok to drive.I got the second one and had no immediate problems.Now when i received my first one my arm had swelled up but it went away after a few days. After the second one I noticed that my arm stayed swollen a little longer well it has been 6 months since I got my second gardasil shot and I still have a lump in my arm. I was told to do some physical theorpy with a doctor or put a heating pad on it and massage for the next two to three weeks and see if it goes away. My doctor said it shouldn't be this way for this long.i know this is not as severe side effect as some of the other people but I thought I should share it.I did not receive the third shot and i don't think im going to.My doctor told one of the nurses to report it to the company. I would advise anyone who decides to get the gardasil shot to do some research first.

I got my Mirena placed in Nov 2008, the insertion was EXTREMELY painful, I cramped for about 2 weeks afterwards, but a heating pad made it feel a lot better. Other than spotting, like one day it's red spots, next day brown, then nothing, then the next day red, then brown then nothing. But it seems like everyday there is something going on. Not enough for a pad though. My husband is in Iraq, so I haven't had sex on it yet, he returns in January, so we'll see how that goes. I haven't vomited, no dizziness, I haven't noticed any weight gain yet. I was already always tired, so I can't really blame that on the Mirena. 3 kids will do that to you. For the most part I am pleased with my Mirena, but I'm glad to find a site that does share the side effects, cause a lot of these were not mentioned by my doctor. I will definitely keep an eye for them.

Extreme fatigue, inability to eat, terror attacks, and a tendon rupture. These were just some of my side effects. It has been 2 yrs and although I am recovering (ever so slowly) I have some PERMANENT damage that I am living with. The tendon was repaired surgically but my arms are in daily pain and it's not the "take an aspirin and sit with a heating pad" kind of pain. It pretty much makes my arms useless. I also have problems with knees and ankles too. I never imagined this would happen given how fit I was at 46. Now at 48 I like to remember how I used to be.

Why in the world would anyone suggest "just take it with lots of water" or "be sure to take it on a full stomach" or "after it's out of your system you will be ok"??? How condescending and inconsiderate. It is NOT worth the risk. Please don't take the chance. I only hope my suffering can help someone else.

This stuff is poison. It's not "like a poison", it is a poison. I'm sure it does kil lots of bad things..... along with way too many good things. I am not left to suffer the long term effects and it is not fun.

I am a 42 year old healthy male who works out and, therefore, I know what muscle fatigue and common muscle cramps feel like. However, today was my 10th dose of a 14 day supply of Levaquin 500 mg for a chronic cough and possible sinus infection. Suddenly this morning, after walking down 1 1/2 flights of stairs at our church, both of my calves simultaneously cramped so severely, I lost feeling in both of my feet. I had to grab the handle bars to keep from falling. Once we got home, I wrapped my calves in a heating pad for an hour which did little to relieve the pain and cramping. My calves are now noticeably swollen with continued cramping. I can barely walk. Suspicious of the Levaquin, my wife googled the drug and found this website. Thank God! Now all we can do is pray that the suggestions for self-help posted on Oct. 27th will work and that I do not develop any further side affects as others have posted. I will also alert my GP on Monday of this website as well as everyone we know.

Hi everyone....
I just had the Mirena inserted Friday...primary reason was easy birth control and second was because I did not want to take estrogen. I'm 29 and do not have any children so the insertion was pretty uncomfortable to say the least. I'm good with pain but this was intense...if that's anything like childbirth no thanks! Thank goodness its over quick. Anyway, I had some cramps afterwards for that first day and my whole "area" felt like it was clenched in fist...really tight and sore. I took Motrin and used a heating pad for my cramps. The next day I was good as new...no cramps, barely any spotting. So although it's only day 3, I'd say my experience thus far is totally manageable. Everyone's body is different. I've been through the ringer already with my hormones...been put on lots of different forms of progesterones to regulate my cycles and even premarin at one point...I know what hormones can do. If it's not working for you, you're not crazy!!!! Just tell your doctor you don't like it, you won't have it, and get it out! You've gotta be your own advocate in the medical world. No woman should put up with feeling like a lesser version of herself at the hands of birth control.
I'll keep yas posted as time goes on...I see that some women start out feeling great then get issues down the line.

I have just finished Levaquin 500m once a day for 10 days for a horrible sinus infection that would not go away with Zithromax. I am about to finish my Dexpak(dexamethasone) tapered dose in 4 days. I have taken Levaquin and dexamethasone before with no problems. This time I have insomnia and the worst joint pain. I am 33 years old and 135 pounds I feel like an inactive obese 70 year old. I can't sleep right now because my joints are killing me. It is even hard to sit on the toilet and get off the toilet. I find my food sits in my chest. I have started taking Probiotics and I put a heating pad on my chest which feels like a board after I eat. I am glad I am finished the medication and only hope I start feeling better. Good luck everyone.

I was prescribed Pravachol after experiencing a reaction to Zocor. In hind sight, this was probably the worst thing my doctor could have done to me. Only weeks on the Pravachol I began to experience lower back and hip pain. I blamed it on my mattress! Then one morning I went to roll over in the bed and pain shot through me up to my head. My hips were frozen the pain was unbearable. I cried and my husband got some old crutches from the garage. I needed help getting to and from the bathroom. He left for work and left me with the heating pad and Ibuprofen. I realized that this was extremely similar to the knee and leg pain I'd experienced on Zocor only to a much more significant degree and much more painful. I immediately stopped the Pravachol and a week later began to see improvement. Within two to three weeks I recovered to a degree of functionality. My doctor actually pushed me to try the Pravocol again! I got a new doctor instead. Turns out my cholesterol isn't even that bad!! I'm furious for the long term damage done to me and furious at a system that would put people through this knowing what it does!

I had mirena inserted July 23, 08. I have not stopped bleeding yet! I have phoned the doctor and was told it is just my body adjusting to it. I have had to take ibuprofen practically everyday and use a heating pad for cramps quite often. I am willing to touhg it out if it is going to get better but after reading the posts here I am getting very concerned. It seems like I am losing hair, it is not noticeable but I find it in the tub drain. And that scares the crap out of me.
I was prescribed mirena because of my periods, very heavy bleeding, clots and very bad cramps. I am seriously considering having this god awful thing taken out. Has anyone found the cure for terrible, painful periods?

I Had mine inserted 01/2006 and plan to have it removed in a couple of weeks. My husband and I would like to start trying to get pregnant (I've never had kids) soon. My experience so far includes: Sever abdominal pain for the whole first week - I had a heating pad on my lower belly that whole time and had to be drugged up from the "widening" of my cervix.

Afterwards - almost constant cramps all month long, mild to severe, no period blood or very little, mood swings like crazy, pain during sex (dependent on position) and pain after sex so severe sometimes I would cry. I swear I have cysts from it - the ultrasound said so, but they said that could just be from the hormones? That made no sense! The doctor never suggested having it removed though. Great birth control - you have painful sex, so you don't want sex!

I have a great sex drive though and we have found ways around it. I have to take diflucan every week to keep me from getting thrush, never had that problem before. Can't wait ot have it out, however, I'm really worried about the bleeding so many have experienced after its removal.

a full week after my first remicade treatment, i suddenly developed a very severe headache, followed by a stiff neck, a stiff left arm, a sore jaw where i couldn't open my mouth very far and i could not chew, then developed a fever, chills and itching. It came on fast but also subsided a good bit within about 12 hours. has anyone else experienced something like this, a full week after a treatment?

I am so thankful to have found this information!!!!! We have an appt tomorrow afternoon because of my 3 1/2 yr old daughters chronic leg pain. It hasn't fit the growing pains symptoms and I have to give her Tylenol or ibuprofen every day - she is inconsolable with pain at times. (She has been on Singulair for 2 years!!!) After reading these situations, I checked singulair's side effects which include 2 other symptoms that my daughter has all the time without explanation - nose bleeds and stomach pain!!! I am taking all this to the doctor appt tomorrow. We missed a nightly dose of Singulair once before and she had to start breathing treatments the next day, every 2 hrs for a few days until we got her breathing under control again. I am anxious as to what our alternatives are and what they're side effects may be....
Thank y'all for sharing your experiences !!!!