Hormonal problems symptoms and conditions

I had my mirena removed about one week ago after a year and a half of having it in. my doctor had told me that I would have no side effects as it only dispersed hormones locally. My experience was very different! The most noticeable were: immediate weight gain (10pounds in 6 weeks from inserting it), inability to lose weight with diet and exercise, terrible mood swings and depression for no reason at all, extreme fatigue and lack of energy (I couldn't stay up past 9pm), bad acne, hair loss on my head and increase of facial hair (go figure!), constant bloating (I looked pregnant all the time), definite decrease of libido, nausea (which led me to see many gastro dr's as I was convinced I had a stomach bug), vertigo, terrible discharge...you name it, I've had it. The thing about Mirena is that the side effects are accumulative and subtle to begin with, so it takes a while before you make the association. Since removing it a week ago, I have noticed a major increase in my energy level (I love it! i feel alive again...), increase in libido, sudden disappearance of depression and mood swings, and bloating is gone. I'm happy to have my body back and feel liberated! I replaced mirena with a regular Copper IUD. In the past I've had increased bleeding during periods with the copper IUD but I'll have that any day compared with my experience with Mirena. The doctor that removed it for me told me that she never advises woman to use mirena unless they have a medical problem such as fybroids, very heavy periods etc...Mirena is used as a cure for these conditions. Her reasoning is that if you are a healthy woman with no hormonal problems, why would you ingest hormones into your body in this manner and mess with your system? The fact that periods stop with mirena means that hormones are all over your system... I advise all women to listen to their bodies...you know better then any doctor if a contraceptive is right for you. There are always other options for you if you are not happy.

I have been looking into the side effects (mainly safety concerns) of NuvaRing when I stumbled on this site. From all the info I've read, it's a pretty high dose of hormones. I have actually had the best luck from NR and have been on it since it came out in 2001. (I will be 29 this year) Also, I only have my period 4 times per year. (Love it!) I understand that this drug causes many problems for women but I have had a long history of hormonal imbalances, yeast infections, UTI's (caused by yeast infections, seriously) and this is the only drug that has helped me long term. It has vastly improved my mood, I have had significantly fewer yeast infections and am very happy about having my period less often. I am pretty active and eat a healthy vegetarian diet, but I feel much better when on NR. Perhaps it is better for women like me who have pre-existing hormonal problems. ?? Also, for what it's worth - Organon (the maker of NR) made the birth control pill that I responded best to before NR. If you have problems with NR, you may want to take a look at the type of hormone used and stay away from it as some other BC pills & patches do use the same hormone as NR. Best of Luck!

I had the Mirena coil removed a week and a half ago and let me tell you I have had the worst week ever!!
My reasons for getting it removed were the same as most people, very bad mood swings,always snapping at my boyfriend, depression, always bleeding, severe stomach cramps all the time, anxiety, hair loss, low libido and the list goes on... I never had any of this before the mirena.. I never realised the mirena could of been the cause until I decided to google it one day and found thousands of women had the same symptoms, everything then made sense...

I made the appointment to get it removed and immediately started taking Vit B6, Primrose oil and I have ordered 5HTP on the internet cos I cant find it anywhere... day 4 I started getting very bad anxiety and horrible suicidal thoughts, I have always been a happy person and couldnt understand what was happening to me... the whole week at work was a blur and each day was a struggle to get through.. I was continuously crying and I had these horrible thoughts in my mind that wouldnt go away!! it has been a nightmare.. its like they are stuck in my mind and I cant think of anything else but these horrible thoughts! (The weird thing is I had the same thoughts when I had the mirena inserted 2.5 years ago but they werent as bad as now and they eventually went away) I saw my doctor on Thursday morning and explained these problems and she prescribed me valium tablets to take away the anxiety... later that afternoon I had a anxiety attack and landed going back to the doctor because of these horrible suicidal thoughts in my mind... My doctor reffered me to a phyciatrist which I saw yesterday, I have never had to see anyone like this before so it was very scary for me... the shrink I saw said that there was no ways the mirena could be doing this to me.... she gave me more valium for my anxiety and now I have to see a special therapist once a week until these thoughts are cleared from my mind!
I find it very strange that all this started 4 days after my mirena was removed! I know this is all happening because of the mirena, the only thing that is keeping me going is reading everyones posts and knowing that this will go way once my hormones settle, I know im not going crazy even though it feels like I am!!
Every doctor I have spoken to will not agree that the mirena could cause any of these side effects! It makes me so mad that so many women are going through this and the doctors think the Mirena is the best thing since slice bread! How can they have no idea!!??
If anyone is thinking of getting the mirena.. DONT DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi Everyone. This is a bit wordy, but please forgive me. I just feel compelled to put the whole story out there. In case some fine detail helps someone out there feel a little less random and crazy.

I have been having irregular, almost non-existant periods my whole menstruating life. i started menstruated later than most girls. i have a delicate relationship with my body weight, having to REALLY really control everything in order to maintain a healthy shape on a tiny frame. i recently was diagnosed with polycystic ovarian syndrome. it makes a lot of sense... and im excited to clear up some of the symptoms related to this disorder (and yes, there is an odd laundry lists of odd symptoms... which never seemed too related before i pieced it together, just an annoying, sometimes embarrasing parade of weirdness)

Anyway. My doctor told me that if I quit smoking she would offer me A RX for Yasmin. because of the particular hormone imbalances I was experiencing, and the synthetic hormone in the BC, it was her first thought for a treatment plan. I was eager to quit smoking, so this added some incentive. I was also excited that I may get some relief from something as commonplace as BC pills. I have gone thru breif phases of using BC Lo-Overal back in my late teenage years, and don't recall any real side effects, maybe a tiny bit of weight gain, maybe a touch of the moodies... but nothing to write home about. Doc said this time would be different, and that while some other BCs would intensify my forementioned hormonal problems, this would/should/could do just the opposite.

Now for the punch line. Its just been one week. I feel crazier than usual. Like the most intense of PMSs is with me everyday, INCREASING in intensity everyday. My lower belly, uterus feels full and cramped. My already large chest just became even more "entertainingly full". I've always suffered with depression and anxiety, I'm no stranger to that. But this was such a fast and direct spike in that category, I can't ignore that.

My diet and excercise routein is excellent, the smoking cessation is difficult but successful, I take prozac to help with my mood/anxiety... I didn't think adding yasmin to the mix would make me feel as if my situation would become nastier. uhhh!

I understand BCs come with side effects, but for my particular situation, I feel like I'm bound to very specific hormone combinations, with little room to try out different ones. Its upsetting to think that Yasmin is being so rough so soon. Will I adjust? Are there other options for women looking to help with PCOS?

All this makes me want a cigarette real bad.
thanks for reading and thanks for all who tell their weird tales.

I am due to start my third pack of YAZ, and I am getting off today. My dr. gave me a three month trial after I switched from ortho-tricyclin low because I had break-through bleeding. I realize with any contraceptive there are going to be side-effects, but this is ridiculous... I have had extreme fatigue, I am sleepy all the time. I also feel like I cannot think clearly, like my head is clogged or something. I also feel very anxious and this feeling like I am going to pass out. Also my eyes feel very dry and unfocused. Nothing is worth feeling like this, and it is very obvious that all these symptoms are coming from this pill. I am scared to try anything else!

I got a shot of Kenalog in my back last December and then again in January. Then in February my face, nec, and legs starting swelling up. The doctors could not figure out what was wrong with me. I had blood work done and found out that I was going through a adrenal insuffiecency and had cushings disease and hormonal problems. They did a cat scan and found a sist on my pituaitary gland. I was sent to a endroconoligist who told me it was all from the Kenalog injection. It took close to a year to go away. Well guess what I was just giving another Kenalog injection even though I told the doctor I couldnt have one. And now my face is starting to swell again. I am soo mad I called the doctor and wouldn't you know it he is on vacation for a week. I have been getting bad headaches also which are probably from that darn shot.

to the last poster:

You may be right, everyone reacts different on medications and other things.

But let me just mention this:

This would have been exactly the post I could have written after only about 6 months on this stuff..... I LOVED my Yasmin and wouldn't have heard on anyone who told me any negative about it!!!!

About 2 years later I had my first breakdown, after another 2 years the second, very severe breakdown and since then my life has never been the same as before!!!!!!!!!!! I'm a total hormonal wreck, still not knowing if I'll ever be healthy and fit again in my life (and I'm only 32!!!).

So I think it's absolutely worth thinking twice about taking this special bcp. It definitely seems to be causing more and espcially more serious side effects than other bcp's with other hormones in it!!!

Please be careful with that stuff!! There's so many other bcp's on the market, perhaps with less side effects (I've been on bcp for 5 years before Yasmin and never had any problems like that!!!) And I wouldn't wish my experience to my worst enemy....... :´(

Since about 4 years I'm only "existing", not really "living" because of severe hormonal problems caused by Yasmin (BEFORE taking that stuff I was a happy outgoing positive person, and I turned into an anxious, weak, unsure and hormonal affected wreck)!!!!!!

Kim,

please remember, that being off a bcp (not only Yasmin or Yaz) for only 6 weeks really isn't very long!! Most doctor's say, that it lasts at least up to 3 months for the chemicals of the pill to leave your body completely, because it's not only in your blood but also in your tissue, and getting out of there takes much longer than getting out of your blood!! (That's another reason why drinking loads of water is so important!!!)

So even if your hormone levels maybe at the same stage than one year ago, there maybe still the side effects of Yaz, that you're experiencing, on top of the hormonal problems you've mentioned!!

Please Kim, try to stay strong and give it more time, 6 weeks off that pill really really isn't enough to say, you have to feel well again at once!! This is no cold or a flu we are or were going through!! Hormonal problems can't be solved within a few days or weeks, it definitely takes months (should be clear alone by the fact, that our cycles last about one month!).

And if you feel that an antidepressant might help you, please give it a chance. I still don't know if you had already tried the Valerian, I've mentioned a few posts before (well, although, as bitter RN told, you should not take it together with other antidepressants as ssri or such!!). I found this a very good little helper during my hardest days. It always helped me to calm down and at night it helped me to sleep. Please think about it.

Best wishes to you and I'll send you all the strenght I have left over to stand this Kim!!

Silke

hi kim123.
keep track of your periods,make a note of when you are ovulating etc,you may see some changes in feelings and behaviour. i think silke suggested writting a diary every day of your feelings,sensations,aches and pains. i did that too and it helped me spot a pattern in my mood changes but it also shows me how much i have improved since i stopped taking yasmin in june. i know it seems like you will never be normal again but you will it will just take a little time. unfortunately there is no magic number of time that makes us better,it just takes as long as it takes,please try not to become depressed and low as this will only make things worse. have you tried going for a nice long swim? i found swimming to be very relaxing. when i was at my worst i spent quite a few hours in the pool as swimming forces you breath properly and your brain needs to be concentrating on co-ordinating your arms and legs to keep you afloat! excercise is also one of the best ways to help your system to recover,you will sweat out excess hormones etc there have been lots of studies on diet and excercise for women with hormonal problems and pms/pmdd and also depression/anxiety. it is certainly worth a try. i am so sorry i cannot just say..hey take this it will cure everything you are going through,i have never found just one thing that helped me but all the little things accumulate and make a pretty good start. i felt like you about the anti depressants etc.my doctor kept trying to give them to me but i was too scared of the side effects to even consider them,they may have helped me i don't know,i chose positive thinking.cognitive behaviour techniques, healthy diet,excercise and vitamin/mineral supplements but that may not be right for everyone.we all have to find our own way through, but know that you have the support of everyone here.

dejay,
yes i got really greasy hair after i stopped yasmin,i lost loads of hair too,thankfully it is growing back now! i don't get the cystic spots on my scalp i have them all around the front of my ears and down the sides of my neck,they are gross and really sore. i also get a monthly outbreak of really huge sore spots on my chin and jaw line. i hate them but would rather have them than feel how i did whilst i was on yasmin. my skin was lovely on it,it's just a shame it turned me into a complete basket case that could not step foot outside of the front door to show off my lovely skin!

best wishes to you ladies.

hi kim123.
i think the main difference between yaz and yasmin is that it only has 0.2 drosperinone compared to 0.3 in yasmin so it is a slightly lower dose,the drosperinone component is the equivelent of progesterone i think,it has been a while since i have looked at the leaflet. i am sure silke had a problem taking the "b" vitamins so she may be able to give you some advice there. i take b6 and b complex,i have not tried missing a dose since i stopped taking yasmin so i am not sure if they make me more anxious or whether i would be calmer without them as odd as that sounds!!!!! i just read that they will help with my hormonal problems and have been taking them ever since!
i know how you feel about missing all of the things you loved,now i am on the road to recovery i make a point of trying and doing everything that i used to love and do you know what...i enjoy them so much more now because i know how much i missed them when they were taken away. i used to hate going to the supermarket,i thought it was boring.... i love it now because i can go without feeling terrified!

sarah

Dear kim!!

I feel so much with you, let me send you a big hug over the internet!!

I know how it feels, when doctor's keep telling you "it's all you and not the pill", I've heard that so many times.... But what could be a better proof for the horrible effects of that pill than thousands of women, who know it better???

And I also went through those "ups and downs", one day thinking "hey, I feel better today, I think it will all be ok soon" and the other day hit by a truck thinking "OMG everything starts again". What helped for me is writing down everything in a diary. I've done that since August 2005, just to see, WHEN those ups and downs are happening. Perhaps that might help some of you, too!?? It helps to discover, if there is a correlation between your cycle and your upcoming problems!! In my case I always got worse around ovulation and when my period should start (well, didn't have one for about 1,5 years after stopping Yasmin, until August 2006!!).

I completely understand your problems with your job. I hadn't been able to work, too, but thanks god my boss was very patient and gave me all the time I needed, although I think for him it also was not easy to understand, what is going on. You can't really say "Well, I'm ill, and I have ........" There's simply no name for our illness. And that's what sounds so strange to other people. You can't say "I have a broken leg" or "I have a flu" or something else....

Someday I started calling it "hormonal problems" to everyone who asked me about my illness. And I think that's how it's explained best.

Well, you also told you had tried some progesterone without any help. How long have you been off Yasmin now? After reading hundreds of posts here and in other forums I found out, that it might not be good to interact your hormones again too shortly after getting off Yasmin.

Your body definitely needs time to get its own balance back and I think it might not be good to interact again with something hormonal. I know this needs so much patience but please remember: It's worth it!!

And I'm so sure, that you're daughter one day will get back her mum, just as she was before that nightmare!!!

Keep on posting Kim and everyone. I think that's the only thing that might help!!!

Big hugs to you all and best wishes
Silke

hi sophie,
i don't have pcos but i did get menstraul spots,i would get half a dozen or so really nasty cystic spots that were really big and sore and would leave scars. when i went onto yasmin my spots cleared up like yours. i have been off it for 7 months now too. my spots have been back for about the last 4 months,especially around the front of my ears for some reason,it is quite bad there. i get a monthly flare up around my mouth and chin also. i have been using clearasil to keep my skin clean clean and oxy spot on for topical treatment. i have also been using ketsugo gel morning and night. i believe that the doctor can prescribe stronger lotions and potions. spironalactone is also meant to help with acne etc but have not tried it as drosperinone in yasmin was meant to be similar and i am nervous about taking any component of yasmin as i do not know what caused all my anxiety problems, i expect it was the high levels of hormones but i don't feel strong enough yet to test it out! i have just started taking agnus castus which is meant to be very good for hormonal problems,luteal phase defects etc and also acne. why not google it? there may be some info that will help you decide if it will help you. It is very distressing to have hormone related acne and i really sympathise with you sophie. it seems that just as we win one fight something else lines up to give us a kick!

best wishes to you.
sarah

Sophie,
I just read your post and hope you are feeling a little better by now. We all know exactly how you are feeling and that the thing with post-yasmin is that one day you are fine and the next day you feel terrible.

When this happens to me i try to remember that the chances are high that by the next day i will be feeling a little better. I am off yasmin for a little longer than you. About 8 months. I think that from 6 months onwards i started to get a little better.

I was able to start making since of things again.

If you can keep a diary of how you are feeling you will notice a pattern. This helps you to ride out the bad days.

It might be helpful to note the day you are ovulating and how long after that until you start to feel bad.

Yesterday i found out that i have a luteal phase defect. This has been linked among other things to contraceptive use. But the doctors have said that it is treatable with progesterone.

I have been keeping a menstrual diary for the past four months. I noticed that my cycles were getting shorter and i was ovulating earlier.

Try this and it might help. I really hope it does. I know it is not an instant cure but it might put you on the road to recovery earlier. This along with all the great advice from flowerbabies and everybody else will keep you going until soon you will have no more yasmin poison left in your system.

I know i have mentioned this before but i feel that LDN has helped me hugely. It is currently used as an ms drug but is been prescribed off-label for pms and hormonal problems. Google "low dose naltrexone" to get info on it.

If you can try to remember when you do feel bad that this is not permanent, it will go away soon.

Migraines during menstruation are usually because of the change in hormone levels. I suffered too from them and sometimes could not even open my eyes to light. Along with nausea this can mean that you get anxious because you start to become afraid that something more sinister is happening.
This then starts a vicous circle.
Why not ask your doctor for an anti-migraine prescription. I took these for a while when my migraines were at their worst. They really do work. The trick is to take them before your migraine starts.

If you are keeping a diary you will notice that the migraines come at around the same time every month.
I hope this helps Sophie. I wish you the very best of luck. Just Remember that this WILL go away. You WILL be ok again and there are people on this forum who know exactly how you are feeling.
murph70

Hi Guest 31031!!

Well, out of my experiences with getting off Yasmin, everything looks "pretty normal" (as far as you can say so though....) what's going on with your daughter!!

I've been off Yasmin for about 1,5 years now and still struggling with those problems around ovulation and the time, where my period should start (didn't get it regularly ever since stopping Yasmin!!!).

And another thing: 4 weeks off Yasmin isn't really much, I fear! How long had your daughter been taking Yasmin?

I had been on it for about 5 very long YEARS... And therefor I think I'm having harder times to get back to normal than someone whou only took it for about 1 year or even shorter...

But give it more time, please! At the time of 4 weeks I still felt totally ill and down. And after that time I had those problems every few weeks again, and always around ovulation and starts of my period!

The only thing that you could do is stand by the side of your daughter, keep her going with always telling her, that it WILL get better again after a few days or weeks. And this is one thing I CAN REALLY PROMISE!! It WILL get better again!!

That's what everyone around me (my husband and my parents) always kept telling me, when I was again at that point, where I thought I couldn't go on any longer. And it was the only thing that helped me not to loose hope!! And they were so right!! The nightmare always stopped again after a few days or weeks and I felt myself getting better again!!

Hormonal problems are nothing which can be solved within a few weeks. And the Yasmin-poison takes much longer to get out of your system than only a few weeks. And only when it is completely OUT the hormonal system can start to rebalance without that artificial hormones.

I can imagine how hard it is to see your daughter in such a bad constitution. It was the same with my parents and husband. They were all so worried but a very important thing is: Don't let her know, how worried you are!! Always try to stay strong and sure in telling her, better times are ahead!!

I wish you all the best and god's bless and I swear, you'll get through this with your daughter. And please tell her, that she's not alone, we're all feeling with her!!

Silke

@ flowerbabies:

Well, it seems to be pretty normal to have a totally screwed up cycle after that Yasmin nightmare (I'm also only 32 and sometimes feel really menopausal!!!)... I didn't get my period at all for about 1,5 years after stopping Yasmin!! Then, about 5 weeks ago, I finally got my first normal period after Yasmin and now I'm awaiting it again... A few days ago I only had a little spotting and thought it was my period coming on. But after about 2 - 3 days everthing was gone again... Don't know what that means.... Holy sh..... I hope that this nightmare someday will have an end and I'm really back to 100% normal again without waiting for my period months and months and feeling like an old menopausal...... Sorry ladies, I'm a bit down at the moment again because of all that agony Yasmin brought into my life.....

What I wanted to say is, that I think it's pretty normal, that our bodies need some time (in some cases A LOT OF time...) to get back its own balance...

And all of you, ladies: forget those doctors or nurses that try to tell you, you HAVE TO feel better after about xxx weeks or xxx months, otherwise it's all in your head. There's noone who can say how long it takes especially for YOU to feel better or to be completely back to normal again. That depends on so much things...... your metabolism, your weight, your age, your hormonal state before Yasmin, and so on!

For some women it only took about a few months to feel normal again, for other women over a year. There's definitely NOT only ONE rule for everyone of us! In my family for example there's been hormonal problems over generations, so that's the reason, why it takes me that damn long to get back my normal hormonal state again.....

So all of you out there, still in Yasmin recovery, stay patient!! That's so important!! Give your body the time it needs, even if it might be months or years!! It's not just a little cold or the flu we're all going through, it's a real heavy hormonal chaos, that Yasmin has caused in all of us and such things need time!!

Flowerbabies: I completely agree with everything you wrote (about the vitamines, etc.)!! That's the only things that really might help!!

@kendra:

That sounds as if I had written it about 1,5 years ago!! After such a short time without Yasmin those symptoms are pretty normal, believe me! It's your body trying to get back its own balance and put on its own hormonal production. After getting off Yasmin I felt so bloated, none of my clothes didn't fit anymore. And some time later everything went away again, especially the weight, I had put on after Yasmin, is going down month by month, without changing anything in my habits!!

All you need is time ladies!! Just keep that in mind and don't quit, stay strong and hang in there! You will get better!! I promise!!

All the best to everyone out there and god's bless!!

Silke

Hi Tiffany!

I'm sorry to hear, that you're doing so bad.

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But I think that you shouldn't say something like the above. Everyone's body is reacting different and some women already feel better after only 4 weeks, another after 2 or 3 months and some women are still dealing with some problems after 1 year and more. But you should definitely NOT say, that its NOT true, that you CAN feel better after 3 months. I think that's very discouraging to many women who are dealing with severe symptoms and are thinking of stopping Yasmin.

In my case, for example, there was something like a "turnaround" point at around 3 - 4 months. That was where I felt that things SLIGHTLY got better. And I mean SLIGHTLY!! Just every month a very little step. I remember that I always was in fear that I NEVER would get better, because everything just started getting better so SLOWLY.

And now, I'm about 1,5 years WITHOUT Yasmin, I'm still dealing with some hormonal imbalances, didn't get my normal period, yet, sometimes I feel I'm on a rollercoaster. There are weeks, where I feel totally normal and fit and then it hits me again with tiredness, weakness and anxiety-problems, but NOT AT ALL that severe as it was during taking Yasmin and around after 6 months off!

And I think that my problems at the moment are caused by that hormonal problems I'm still dealing with (not to forget: before taking Yasmin my periods always where regular!!!) that I'm still dealing with.

My weight, that I gained AFTER getting off Yasmin (around 25 pounds within 3 months!!!!!!) is slightly going down since about 3 months, without changing anything in my life. For me that is a nother proof for the regulating of my metabolism and I'm very sure, that in a few months more everything will be better than today. That's what kept me alive the last 2 years, dealing with symptoms, that I nearly couldn't have beared any longer....

So please all of you don't loose hope and believe in yourself!! You can get through this!! One year ago I never would have believed that I'd be feeling ever again the way I'M feeling today!! I swear!!

And if it's not within 3 months then in 8 months or even longer, but your live is worth waiting for better times, that DEFINITELY are ahead!!!

I wish you all the best and the strength that you need right now!! God bless you all!!

Silke

Hi,
I always had terrible hormonal problems, but even doctor don't believe me. I used Yasmin for about three months because of my irregular periods, it was OK for that time or at least not worse than usually and my periods had been regular. I decided to quit just because I am always scared of hormonal medizines and pills. I have been the last weeks on the internet searching for all my actual physical problems and I found out that Yasmin has been even worse to my hormonal system. Since I quited Yasmin, three months ago I don't get my period, my hairs is falling like I were poisoned, the heart goes faster, I am anxious, depressed all time, and off course, there is no need to talk about the 3 or 5 kg I gained. And, what is very strange, is the problem with the "dying extremeties", specially legs. I thought my lately lack of interest on sex was just because I have been feeling so bad lately, specially with the acne, which seemed to be better for a while with the pills, but now it is even worse.

I wouldn't say that Yasmin is completely guilty about the situation, but maybe some women have a very sensible hormonal system, always ready to collapse. Perhaps Yasmin, as usually hormonal treatments are, finally destroyed my already week hormonal system. I love this page, because usually hormonal problems make women feel so strange, that other people, and off course doctors, prefer to diagnostic psicologic problems than real physical hormonal problems.

I wonder if somebody is going through my same problem, slow metabolism, hair loss, heart palpitations, lack of period, over weight, anxiety, sadness, "dying legs", extremely oily hair, and acne. By the way, while I was taking the pill I didn't realized that the hair of the legs had been really growing much faster than it is now.

If somebody went through the same problems, and could tell me how long it took until feeling better, or some recomendations, I would be glad of hearing that.

Thanks to all of you for sharing your experiences.