low in side efects,unlike dianabol, the definition you see in up to 2 1/2 weeks is amazing......does stimulate hunger a bit but doesnt make u look swollen in the face........doesnt cause any mental effects and builds your streath up at a decent rate........basicly used for size or a secondary steroid to be used wit deca,anadrol 50,d-bol , or any other bulking steroid