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Posted at 11: 9 PM on Apr 11, 2008 by concernedcitizen, #29495
I am starting a new post in the hopes that others will see what I am trying to say about the delayed reaction in those that took Singulair for allergies. If it is consistent that Singulair does not stop allergy symptoms immediately, then the pathways that eventually stop allergy symptoms involve a change in the mast cell function, development and migration (or some combination). I asked this question for a reason. Are allergy symptoms stopped immediatedly. My question below: I have a question that will help me continuing looking for information. I can understand that in the case of asthma that Singulair would provide immediate relief. If it is used for seasonal allergies or other allergies without asthma, does it work right away or does it take a period of days or weeks to be effective? If it takes time, could you tell me how long it took in your situation? My thinking was going in the right direction if the answer below is consistent of everyone or most. about 2 hours ago on Apr 11, 2008 by catherineevans, #7045 My granddaughter was put on Singulair for allergy symptoms without asthma. Itching, red eyes, terrible congestion, etc. dark circles under her eyes all the time. When we first put her on this, we didn't see any consistent results for 2-3 weeks, then it seemed to 'kick in.' I don't know if this helps. By the way, she was 9, now she's almost 12 and was immediately taken off when this story came out 2 weeks ago. Then after seeing one response, I gave my reason for asking. I asked this question because I have a theory of how montelukast really works for allergies as compared to how it works for asthma. Asthma is a hyper-sensitive state that gets going because the mast cell has a receptor (the leukotriene receptor that Singulair blocks) that sends a signal along a pathway that causes lung tissue to have that extreme response - the wheezing, the airway constriction. On the mast cell is another receptor the histamine receptor that causes the secretions that make our noses runs and and stuff up. This is not the same immune response as the asthma response. When I saw a post that somebody's doctor said that Singulair is an anti-histamine, NO it is NOT. So if Singulair does not block histamine immediately and your child's allergies did not go away immediately, then maybe Singulair is working through some other means such as changing normal mast cell homeostasis. I know that this seems like "what does this mean?" I am really writing this hoping to God that there are people reading this site that know what I am talking about. Thank you so much for responding. Your answer actually told me what I wanted to know and confirmed my hypothesis. More answers will help. I hope others respond. PLEASE respond about the length of time that allergies disappeared if you took Singulair for allergies.
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Reply 4 months ago on Apr 11, 2008 by kristina551980, #7054

My son took it for allergies & I'm sorry but I dont remember if it worked right away or not, I do know it did work b/c his allergies have been under control this past year I guess I should of paid more attention to the whole singulair picture in general
again sorry I cant help :(

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Reply 4 months ago on Apr 12, 2008 by kate2, #7067

Hi ,first of all ,"Thank You" I have been catching up on this site rereading and reading new post.I see your efforts to help,it is commendable.I can tell you when our son Cody took the medication, he actually did not live long enough to improve his allergy symptoms.Cody had mild seasonal allergies and they had not really kicked into high gear yet.We started it to see how he would do getting a head start in July.Normally he would start a bit later in the summer.He still had the stuffy nose!Wish we had been given our Allegra,he would still be with us and very much alive.You have shed some light on the research going on in other countriesIt sounds as if they are more forthright with the evidence of psychological adverse events taking place.You also are very kind to take the time to research and try to put the information into laymens terms,:I am getting a clearer picture that Monelukast has a different affect on some Genetic make ups.The FDA researcher hopefully will look at the leukotriene receptors more thoroughly as a possible reason for the varied side effects.I think that is what you are saying correct me if I am wrong.Kate Miller

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Reply 4 months ago on Apr 12, 2008 by hrtprice, #7070

In our case, allergies and asthma go hand in hand. My daughter took this drug for allergy induced asthma, or "allergic asthma", so preventing the allergies in turn prevented the asthma, and she is a very highly allergic child (high IgE). At 12 or 13, the 5 mg daily dose helped with her allergies, I would say within a couple days. During high allergy season, we went for the 10 mg tablet where my daughter saw immediate results and hardly needed rescue inhaler, but even a couple years ago I was nervous keeping her on the higher dose from researching other forums.

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Reply 4 months ago on Apr 12, 2008 by sp2008, #7073

For Phillip it took about 2 weeks before his allergy symptoms subsided. I remember being frustrated with the way he was acting and still having allergy symptons. When I complained to Dr they told me takes couple weeks to kick in and behavior wasn't from meds..

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Reply 4 months ago on Apr 12, 2008 by njcukett, #7077

As you know my son is the one who was put on it for his food allergy and back to back anaphylaxsis until we knew what had happened. He never had any asthma at that time. Not until I took him off of it for the stomach aches, nightmares and moodiness. Since Wed at the ER, he started flovent 2x daily and albuterol in between. Have had to give him treatments in the middle of the night b/c of his coughing. His coughing during the day has been better but his chest is very thick and he sounds raspy. Hope this helps.

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Reply 4 months ago on Apr 12, 2008 by concernedcitizen, #7084

I know that the doctor on this site disagrees with sharing research with the public that might be misinterpreted. I am just trying to tell you why I have certain questions. I referred to this research group from Virginia. I got my idea about asking about delays in efficacy for those with allergy as compared to asthma by reading research such as this. Everything in an article is not always directly related to what I am thinking but I do believe that eventually that there will be important things to be learned. So don't read it, but know that I really do have reasons to ask. I am also looking for explanations as to why symptoms not present before Singulair manifest themselves after discontinuing Singulair.

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/mksg/imr/2001/00000179/00000001/art00009

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Reply 4 months ago on Apr 12, 2008 by catherineevans, #7085

Dear Concerned Citizen-I don't know who you are but thank you for taking us seriously. After reading this last post I have a question, how could an allergy medicine affect an area of the brain that controls mood swings, destructive behavior, depression, etc? What ingredient could be in Singulair that actually could do this to so many children? And why doesn't one of the chemists that work for Merck who came up with this drug understand how harmful this has been? I hope there is a Jeffrey Wigand who has a conscience and tells the truth.

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Reply 4 months ago on Apr 12, 2008 by concernedcitizen, #7116

I believe that the answer to that question has not been addressed by any experts so far. One problem is that asthma/allergies is not one stop shopping. Each individual has his/her own individual issues to be addressed. It seems that the European system notifies everybody involved about adverse drugs reactions in their very frequent reports. Any drug reaction that meets their criteria of being believed as the source of the problem becomes part of that drug's profile.

Why did Merck name montelukast -- Singulair? That was a strategic decision to make it seems like this was the "single" drug for everybody. What if they had named it "Lukasta"? Lukasta sounds like something for cancer. We are just getting sold pills that have a broad range of associated side effects no matter what these pills are.

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Reply 4 months ago on Apr 14, 2008 by jerseymomma, #7191

Dear Concerned Citizen-
I just want to add that you are an angel and you can't close your mouth because the doctors don't like what you have to say. Don't forget, alot of those doctors get kickbacks for referring these drugs to their patients. I had posted this earlier in the week about Merck: http://www.minfirm.com/blogview.asp?Post=61 (copy and paste it). Apparently drug researches knew for TWO YEARS that the drug zetia was ineffective and they kept it quiet so that they could make money before any recalls, etc. You can't trust these people to do the right thing and it really depends on the people to speak up. So although some people may take the research wrong, etc. I commend you for atleast speaking up for these innocent people who's lives have been ruined b/c a drug company is more concerned with profit than they are patient safety.

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Reply 4 months ago on Apr 27, 2008 by donan, #7661

In response to your question, I was put on Singulair for allergies but I also have asthma. I took it sporadically to control allergies during more susceptible times of the year. It did help my allergies immediately, after the first dose it was like night and day, it cleared up congestion, itchy eyes, runny nose and my wheezing. The fact that it worked right away allowed me to take it sporadically. It was only after I recently used it routinely for over a month that I started having problems with numbness and a vibratory feeling in my hands. I have tried as you have to figure out how this works to cause so many different side effects and I do believe that it changes the cells after a period of time, otherwise I would have had symptoms prior to taking it routinely. Someone will figure this out, hopefully Merck will be a stand up company that will pour some dollars into research. I know that drug companies have a bad reputation in this country but I also see that many lives have been saved by new medications that come from their research which is funded by the profit off of their medications. They are far from saints doing altruistic work, and I know they make much more money than they put back into research, but face it they are not all bad. We sometimes take for granted all the medications we have these days that save lives that would have been lost a decade ago. I am not defending them, just pointing out that they are a two edged sword.
As for me, not taking the Singular anymore, too risky for my taste.
Good luck with your project.

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