Yasmin and suggestion

I am a new poster & am excited to be a part of this discussion !! I feel to close to this discussion because I have been experiencing the same issues.
I too have been having major chest pain issues for almost 2 months now. I started Yasmin (much to my dismay!) about 6 months ago. I haven't taken any b.c. since I was about 19, I am now 30, I started because my periods were absolutely unbearable anymore, intense cramping, heavy flow & in incapable of work/activity for the first 2 days. My doctor always pushed b.c. on me for the pain relief. Finally I agreed. I started in February, 2008.
Almost 2 months ago (7 months into Yasmin) I was getting a bit of chest pain along the ribs/inside of the side of the breast, mainly the right & sometimes on the left. I wasn't too worried as I am a healthy eating, yoga/work-out doing, average weight, no health issues what-so-ever except for my intense period kinda gal. About a month went by with increasing chest pain & I went to the hospital (up north at my moms when I was visiting, only an hour wait to get in as apposed to the 6 here back home!). My fear was heart problems. They did blood work & (I am not sure what this is called!) they hooked me up with tons of little stickies & monitored my heart. - I mentioned to the doctor I was taking b.c. & he said it wasn't an issue, they usually pose blood clot risk....not my issue here.
They said everything was normal & because of the sensitivity of the chest pain (it is sore to the touch!) he said it was costochondiritis, the inflammation of the chest wall. So I thought that was it, I would just take the Advil the suggested 3 times a day for inflammation & it would go away. I did this for 2 weeks & nothing changed.
I was getting some shooting pains in my chest & went back to my doctor, explained my visit up north & what they concluded it was. She said that the costochondiritis has made me sensitive to acidic foods, prescribed me with previcid for a week. That didn't make any difference at all.
Here I am another month later & my chest pain feels worse, my chest still feels tender to the touch, I am short of breath going up the stairs, heart racing/palpitations, gas (burping & passing gas), some upper back ache, I am feeling helpless & beat down !!
By now I'm sure there is a bit of anxiety mixed in there, I have been so sad, scared & worried!
I went back to my doctor & she sent me for an upper G.I. to rule out acid reflux & it came back normal. I also did some blood work again (which have since came back normal) & am waiting for the results. She said she doesn't think it's costochondiritis now. I am scheduled for an abdominal ultrasound & with a cardiologist (I go tomorrow) for an EKG for my heart.
Last night my hubby & I were talking, my co-worker was really upset to hear I've still been taking the pill, she thinks it's poison. I told my guy that & we got out the information booklet from my Yasmin & there were ALL of my symptoms, there was a list of 12 & I had 8 of them !!! No vision or numbness problems but all of the chest pain/breathing issues.
I took my last pill 2 days ago (it was my last before my period) & I have no plans to start again. I am going to follow through with the scheduled appt.'s just in case but my hubby & I have our money on the pill being the cause for all of this.
1 thing that gets me is when I went to my doctors with this issue in the beginning, not once did she bring up the pill or say to stop the pill. In the booklet under all of the symptoms I've been having it says to immediately stop taking the pill. ;(
After taking my last pill I felt a bit better (it's only been a week/my menstruating week), the sharp pain on the inside/side of my breast/chest has not been as sensitive to the touch. I still have had palpitations (minor, not lasting long - to lasting up to 4 hours until I just go sleep to try to get rid of it) & sparse shooting/dull/aching pain in my chest/armpit.
YASMIN SHOULD BE BANNED !!

I was put on Yasmin not for birth control but for the beginning of fertility treatments. I was on Yasmin only 1 months. After about 2 days I started getting symptoms. I called the Pharmacist and my fertility doctor and they both told me the pill wasn't the culprit. But after the 20th day I just couldn't take it anymore I went off of it. After starting Yasmin I had TERRIBLE Panic attacks, Anxiety ( still have to this day two months later), Heart Palpitations, leg cramps, boobs hurt, breathing trouble ( still to this day), HORRIBLE thoughts, adrenaline rushes all hours of the day, tingling in my hands and feet, my mind feels fuzzy, no appetite, no sex drive, depression, crying fits for hours, I felt like i was going insane.... You name it I had it. I stopped the pill two months ago and I still have the horrible anxiety/attacks, feel like i cant breath properly, OCD about my breathing.

I went to the hospital and got checked for blood clots in my lungs, legs, Asthma test, EKG, blood tested, was put on heart monitor all came back normal. I have started seeing a therapist, on depression meds and none of it is working. I feel like this pill has ruined my life and i wasn't even trying to stop life i was trying to help create it.

Here i am two months after stopping the pill and yes some of the stuff has went away but i still suffer with Anxiety from the time i wake up in the morning till the time I go to bed at night. And sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night with anxiety. My head is getting a little clearer and I am not as depressed as before. But I am just praying that this anxiety goes away. I have NEVER been a person who can't handle stress or gets anxiety/panic attacks and since it started it hasn't stopped. I am so very weak, muscles ache so much which i think is from the anxiety attacks and the muscles tightening.

So if you have this... you are not alone! I am suffering with it everyday. It is so debilitating I cant do much. Has anyone else had this months after stopping Yasmin?

okinawak so sorry to hear about your daughter. All I can relate to you guys is my personal experience. I was on Norimin for a couple of years from the age of 19. For the last year (up until a couple of months ago) I was on Yasmin. I experienced anxiety whilst taking these pills which I attributed to stress, but since I have been off the pills I am feeling fantastic. I stopped taking Yasmin because I was experiencing other things like pains in my calves, hair loss and getting spider veins, loss of libido (I'm only 23). :-( I decided upon reading other experiences on this page to stop taking Yasmin. I am happy to report back that I am feeling great... Fantastic in fact. I won't say that its directly related to Yasmin as I have no way of proving that. All I can say is how I felt during and after. And for the last three months I have felt greater confidence in my ability to deal with what life throws at me. I am feeling happier all the time, and I think my libido is improving. All the best to you guys, and all those out there worried about symptoms, please go see your doctor!

Hi!
I am so glad i found this,
i been off of Yasmin for about a month now and i will never go back!
i was on the patch for 3 years and was fine ( i know the patch is risky so i switch thinking i was safer ) WRONG!
I was depressed, bloated, irritable, the smallest things would set me off. I was spacey all the time, i could not concentrate i was tired. My sex drive wasn't anything near what it use to be. like i said i am off it now and i feel like i am myself again. I hope the affects of this terribly birth control don't affect me permanently! I am staying away form birth control!
does anyone have a better suggestion?

Here's my story, and if anyone has any thoughts of which pill to try next, I'd love to hear them.
A while ago, I had been on Orthocyclen for several years, which worked great for me, but stopped taking the pill back in late 2005 when my long-term relationship ended. I just wanted to give my body a break, you know? I went back on a different pill, Loestrin 24-FE, the middle of 2006, because my doctor wanted me to try something low-dosage, and as a result I had lots of problems with spotting and readjusting to a new pill. Loestrin continued to piss me off with the spotting, which was the only real side effect, but my doctor wanted me to keep with it to see if it lessened. It never did. So in August of 2007, per my doctor's suggestion, I changed to Femcon (great name for a lady vitamin - it sounds like the name of a Transformer), and around this time started to notice some mild dizziness.
I'm in great shape and very healthy and active. Last summer I even ran a half marathon, and about a week later the dizziness started. At this point I didn't even consider that the dizziness could be related to the new pill.
The dizziness was steady, and I was starting to have some problems focusing on my computer monitor at work, so I finally saw my primary care physician, who referred me to a neurologist. He did some minor tests with me, and based on the results, told me he thought I was getting migraines. I've never had migraines before in my life, so this was all new to me. And it was interesting because I didn't really get headaches, just dizziness and lightheadedness and some blurred or jumpy vision. It definitely starting freaking me out, and even impacted my running because I didn't know if I'd lose my balance (I never did, but still) when out for a run. I'm 31 years old, by the way. The neurologist finally suggested the link between the dizziness and the pill, and suggested I try something even lower dosage. So I switched to Yaz.
I'm in my second month of it, and trying to power through to finish the pill pack just so I don't mess up my period too much, and I am a disaster. I should also mention I've had some major life changes as of late, moving to a new city, new job, and newly living with my boyfriend, so I'm sure this plays a part. But I have been an absolute train wreck since I started Yaz. The dizziness has gotten far worse, making me feel like I'm in a fog, sort of detached, hard to focus. Been awful to my boyfriend, when only weeks ago we were SO EXCITED to finally be living together and having this crazy adventure together. He asks me now why we can't just be happy. I get annoyed so easily, have had massive mood swings, and several panic attacks. Everything you all are describing - heart palpitations, headaches, nausea, insomnia. All the things I used to love to do, especially going out and exploring and being social (I just moved to NYC for god's sake!!!) are daunting and almost terrifying, and all I want to do is lay on the couch at home and hope the dizziness subsides. I was seriously contemplating psychological therapy, and my boyfriend was trying to get me to try yoga, but how could I possibly even do the poses when I can barely balance myself?? The only time I feel remotely normal is when I force myself to go for a run and just try to power through the light headedness.
I am finishing up the pack on Friday even though I should take it through the middle of next week, and I'm going to give myself a couple months off and go back to sucky condoms just to try and clear my head. Then I'm going to see if my doc will put me back on Orthocyclen.
Has anyone else experienced dizziness or light headedness on these pills? Have you found a pill that works for you?
Any suggestions on which birth control pill (or method) I should try next? I'm so tired of putting hormones in my body, but I'm not ready for kids yet and really hate condoms. I was looking into the ring but I hear that's just as bad. Sigh. If only they could do temporary vasectomies.

I have just gone back onto Yasmin after an absolutely horrifying experience trying to come off it.

I have taken Yasmin for 3 years with minimal problems. My skin was fantastic - never a blemish. I actually LOST weight while on it and went up a up a breast cup size. I got lighter periods which was a godsend. I did get a few problems though - gas and stomach bloating as well as headaches sometimes shortly after taking it and occasionally break-through bleeding. But for me the pros outweighed the cons.

I came off it recently as I'm no longer in a long term relatonship and it was just awfull. My skin broke out, I got very oily hair and skin and felt like I was going through puberty again. The worst problem was that in just 3 weeks I blew up like a baloon. I literally stacked on weight every day and my family all made suggestive comments like "been enjoying the cake lately?" I was so angry since I'm such a healthy eater and excersize every single day!!!!! I have never had a problem wth my weight before and the only change I made in my lifestyle was coming of Yasmin. I was so upset with my appearance I have actually gone back on the Yasmin. However its ridiculus to stay on it for beauty's sake.

Has anyone ever experiecend this before??? If so what did you do????

Oh wow I am so happy to have found this site. In the last few months I have been feeling lower and lower in myself, this together with my complete and utter loss of sex drive is just getting beyond a joke. My boyfriend thinks it's him and he goes on and on about whether I still want to be with him etc etc and it's just making me feel worse so it's a terrible vicious circle.
I've been thinking about whether it was my pill for a few months now, I changed to Yasmin about a year ago now after my previous pill was giving me terrible mood swings and uncontrollable rage. I did notice a slight improvement in my moods at the very beginning but this has now led to anxiety, heavy breakthrough bleeding, irritability and a general feeling of low self worth which gets worse and worse by the day.. great for Christmas time!
I've now resolved to stop taking this pill and any pill for that matter. I'm going to see how I get on with no medical birth control and try to get my head and hopefully my sex drive back to normal.
I'm so glad to have found this and that it's not just me. I would not recommend this to ANYONE so if you are reading this to get an idea on whether to opt for this then I would say no.

Hello,

I read about how YAZ birth control pill affects the body and psych and I am now scared. This is my 2nd day of YAZ (I've never been on birth control pills ever and I am 27 years old), it's all new to me but after reading all these negative posts about Yaz I don't know what to do. Before the birth control pills, I was depressed, annoying, serious weight problems - 210 lbs :~~((, low energy, low libido, always tired, terrible migraines every 2nd day, ridiculously increased appetite and excessive hunger, hair where it shouldn't be, menstrual blood clots, excessive cramping etc
I have all these problems for 3 years now and now that the family doc. put me on YAZ birth control pill I am even more scared - mainly of more weight gain, it would be a tragedy for me, I am fat enough already and what's worse I can't lose the weight, exercise doesn't help, diet doesn't help, NOTHING. Will YAZ birth control pill worsen my already tragic condition? I just don't know what to do and what to believe ... I appreciate any advice or help you can give me ... Thank You to all!

Lauren- May 2005 through August 3, 2007: The following is my daughter’s story which I put on paper so that she could bring it with her to the gynecologist in case I couldn’t be with her. I didn’t want her to forget anything. Someone suggested that I post it to a website:
The most recent issue seems to have started when she first went away to college in the fall of 2005. She came home one weekend with a stomach virus (vomiting, nausea), but it seemed to never completely go away. She was taken to the ER a few times, just to be treated for dehydration and sent home because there was 'nothing wrong with her'...Over the next few months she seemed to constantly feel sick, nauseous, fatigued, and get a lot of headaches. We took her to her primary care doctor, who did blood work and treated her for heartburn, acid reflux, etc.. During this time, she actually had appendicitis and had her appendix removed. After that she continued to feel sick. So we moved on to the gastroenterologist who ran many tests: cat scan endoscopies, more blood work, and were told that they couldn't find anything wrong. Then we started with a nutritionist to help her eat healthier and hopefully reduce the nausea which subsided occasionally but never let up. Nothing there helped. Then it was back to another gastroenterologist with no results. Over this time, anxiety was hitting her big time. She was finishing up finals in her first year of college and was constantly skipping classes because she was too nauseous to get out of bed for her 8:00 classes. Home for the summer - no relief. She decides she couldn't go back to her college for her 2nd year so she enrolled in community college - not exactly the plan, but at least she was on course with her classes and doing well. Still stressed and nauseous, we started with the neurologist who prescribed many medicines and ordered an MRI, which showed nothing (no problems, not no brain!). Back to the primary care doctor who finally diagnosed her with Irritable Bowel Syndrome, which fit the current symptoms of nausea, severe diarrhea while vomiting and the finale: passing out. So, back to the state college for 2nd semester of sophomore year. But the medication for IBS was making her too sleepy to get through the day, so she discontinued it. The symptoms had subsided a bit but towards the end of the school year got worse again - just in time for finals, again. During that semester at school, she sought counseling at school which seemed to help her stress level, but she still had daily ‘melt-downs’, so the therapist sent her to a psychiatrist for meds. The doctor started her on the lowest dose (25mg) of Zoloft. As she started to feel a bit better, they increased the Zoloft over the next few months until she was at 100 mg. Home for the summer, the symptoms came and went, but about 2 weeks after she started the 100 mg, she confided in me that she was feeling depressed and actually had thought of 'not caring if she died'. We immediately took her to the psychiatrist upstate who had treated her at school and whom she had seen once since she left school. (She had also continued with the cognitive therapy at the college.) The doctor told her to start weaning off the Zoloft, but start Seraquel (another seratonin-based drug). She also said she was going on vacation and Lauren needed to be seen often as she switched medications, so she advised us to find another psychiatrist closer to home to monitor her progress. So the new doctor put her on Wellbutrin, continued to wean her off Zoloft, and continued her on the Seraquel. He also ordered blood work and a fasting glucose-tolerance test (all of which came back normal/negative). The symptoms got severely worse over the next 2 weeks: constant nausea, vomiting, dizziness, weakness, fainting. On Monday, she spoke with the psychiatrist and he told her to stop all meds. We continued to believe that the recent symptoms were caused by either the psychotic meds themselves, still in her system or the withdrawal of the meds. By Tuesday night, she had been vomiting for almost 24 hours and I had to take her to the ER, not because I thought they could figure out what was wrong, but to re-hydrate her because she was becoming dehydrated. After 7 hours, and more blood work, x-ray, EKG, she was released and proceeded to get nauseous on the way home at 4AM. BUT, a very nice nurse came in while Lauren had fallen asleep and asked me why my daughter was on so many meds. I basically told her the above story and she asked me when Lauren started on birth control pills. I told her that I took her to my gyn. in May of 2005, before she was going off to college and we told him about the terrible menstrual cycle (heavy bleeding and 1 day a month home with cramps all through high school) and he put her on Ortho-tricycline low. At her 3 month check, she told him she was losing large amounts of hair. He changed her contraceptive to 'Ov-con 35'. In November, she complained of nausea and he switched her to Yasmin. She has been on it ever since. The nurse asked me if I was aware that every symptom that Lauren has had since October of 2005 could be a side effect of oral contraceptives!! She told me about a book to buy, written by Dr. John Lee about hormones and imbalances. She told me not to stop the b.c. pills abruptly, because since they are synthetic hormones, and with what her body was going through, it might put her into an hormonal chaos, similar to a full-blown menopause! So we are now reading the book, waiting to do saliva- testing and trying to see a gyn. to help us. Her own gyn. has a personal family emergency and is on a temporary leave of absence (as we found out when his office canceled her yearly check-up twice in the last 10 days). We are trying to get her in with one of the other doctors. She cannot start a 3rd year of college still feeling ill!
Added to the above is the fact that my husband’s sister called to see what was going on with Lauren after she got a phone call from her mother. It turns out that my niece, Heather (age 23), has been making the rounds with the doctors and having testing done (MRI, blood work, etc.,) because she has been nauseous and passing out. Guess what medicine she is taking…..Yasmin!

This is the list of most of the medicines (besides the 3 oral contraceptives) that she has been on during the last 27 months because of the side effects of Yasmin, and no doctor suggests she stop her oral contraceptive pills for a few months!
Prochloroperaz (5mg), Topamax (25mg), Prevacid (30mg), Zofran (4mg), Omeprazole (20mg), Amitriptyline (25mg), Amitriptyline (50mg), Inderal (60mg), Propranolol (10mg), Amitriptyline (10mg), Sertraline (Zoloft) (25mg), Sertraline (Zoloft) (50mg), Metoclopramide (5mg), Sertraline (Zoloft) (100mg), Seroquel (25mg), Wellbutrin (150mg), Dicyclomine (10mg), Compazine (severe reaction: Extrapyramidal), and other anti-nausea meds in 4 trips to the ER (one due to the reaction to Compazine!)

hum... i'm sorry to read all these messages...
i hope all of you are feeling better in a near future, if you're not already!

someone there asked if there's anything good to take...
i actually ended up on this page because i was considering taking yasmin.
i'm from brazil, i used to take another pill before, called diane
it really made my skin look good

then i switched to nuvaring
i've been using nuvaring for a long time, 3 or 4 years, can't remember
since they first started to sell it
it's pretty good
i never had any problems

but i do get some acne eventually, and then i thought about looking for a pill like the one i used before
but apparently it may not a good idea to quit something that works great

i hope this helps, at least as a different suggestion

good luck :)

I was proscribed Yasmin for acne problems but straight away, I experienced nausea. I didn't take a liking to it at all because it constantly made me want to vomit all the time. But still, I was willing to trial it to treat my acne. After about a month of using it, the vomiting sensation didn't go away. Does anyone else experience the same problem? Finally, I gave it up altogether and switched to Diane35. I found Diane35 a much better treatment for acne without the vomiting side affects.

IRON DEFICIENCY or ANEMIA

I already told you ladies about iron deficiency in one of my earlier posts. But yesterday my doc finally supposed the same when I told him about my now again upcoming symptoms (tight chest, breathlessness after walking or doing anything, muscle weakness, nausea, tiredness, circulation problems, etc.).

So I'll finally get my iron levels checked on friday (my gyn, whom I had visited a few weeks before, didn't do anything like that at all, he again just told me to "wait and see" if the problems perhaps get better by themselves..... Wow, what a nice suggestion in such a bad situation. Thank you!).

Perhaps one thing for some of you to get checked, too!? I think it might be worth it and could be another chance to find a solution!!

Check the symptoms of iron deficiency over google or whatever, I'm sure you'll find some of yours!!

All the best to you out there!!

Silke

I suffer from the same symptoms as your daughter. I get ill in cycles starting right after my period for about 10 days.

My DR. suggested that I try going on a different BCP for a while to calm my body down. Then when it's time to stop, it should be much easier than getting off Yasmin which is pure poison and has interferred with our own hormone production system as well as other important functions such as thyroid production and digestion.

He recommend I try Desogen. Talk to your daughters DR. about that suggestion and see what he says. Also check her thyroid levels if you haven't already done so.

Our symptoms are so severe that herbs and natural remedies will not help. It will help a little but not too much...

I have never been sick for 28 years of my life until immediately after coming off of Yasmin. This is a lethal drug that needs to be avoided at all costs.

If she is trying anti depressents it will take about a month for any difference to be noticed if she does respond the particular anti depressent. If lexapro doesn't work, I would suggest fluoxetine as that is commonly prescribed for PMDD... which is similar to what we are suffering from.

Hi. At my doctor's suggestion, I just started taking Yasmin 3 weeks ago for perimenopausal symptoms (I'm 47). Since I've started taking it, I have trouble sleeping. I wake up nearly every night after 2-4 hours and cannot fall back to sleep. I also seem to be feeling anxious. As there's no new difficulty or issue in my life at the moment that might otherwise cause insomnia and anxiety, I'm wondering if these are effects of the Yasmin. I can't find insomnia or anxiety as a side-effect in any of the literature on Yasmin. Has anyone else experienced these problems while taking Yasmin? Thanks.

Andiegags:

I had such a similiar experience to yours even though I am much older! I had taken Yasmin w/o problems for a couple of years. Or so I thought. I did have nightsweats, and leg cramps,but I thought is was my age (40). Then this winter it was like a switch went off. I had terrible migraines, panic attacks, heart palpitations.. I saw All the doctors... Neurologist, cardiologist, ER. I stopped the pills 2 1/2 months ago at the neurologist's suggestion and things are getting better. I have had some BAD days, (major anxiety and ugly moods which I have never had until this) but this site has helped me feel less crazy. I do not know if the month back on the pill for you will matter. But you cannot let that worry you. Just know you are not crazy and you will get better day by day.

Trina

hi Hawkhillmom,
I too stumpled upon this post I was on Yasmin for over 3 yrs. and had gone to the dr.'s about 10 times, it wasn't until the second to last dr. I saw, that I realized it could be Yasmin. He said Yasmin was high risk for blood clots. So after the appt. I just did a quick search I typed in my symptoms and sure enough Yasmin came up

I was also prescribed antibiotics in case I had a virus or chest infection. Hang in there, I have been off for about 6 weeks and day by day I feel better. Some days I regress, but if you read the other posts, it's going to take some time to get out of your body. I kept a diary for about a month tracking how I felt some weeks were good, some weeks were bad, but all in all I can say I'm about 80% better.

I was on Estrostep before Yasmin and for no reason at all I switched at my Gyno's suggestion. He said oh you have gained 5 lbs. on this pill Yasmin won't cause you to gain any weight. Now 30 lbs heavier, numerous dr.'s telling me I'm crazy and need to speak to a therapist, a lot of money wasted on Dr.'s visits, and pure stress over thinking I was dying of some disease no one could fine....I'm glad to be off of it. I'm think I'm going to stay off Hormones for a while. After this ordeal, I think I'm better off with out them. For now at least.
Hang in there it will get better.
hill

Hi.
I appreciate all of your thoughts on this.

I have been on Yasmin for close to 3 years now (started it in europe and then when i returned, it received FDA approval).

My husband has said that I have become increasingly anxious. I didn't know if there was any correlation but it appears that there might be.

I will discuss this Wednesday with the OB/GYN. Does anyone have a good alternative suggestion if I wanted to stay on the pill?

I have tried Ortho Tri-cyclin and gotten horrible headaches.

I started yasmin (after my doctors referral) about 9 days ago....the horrible nausea started on about the 3rd day, and has continued...i don't know what to do..the worst is the past few days i've had a panic attack type feeling..my chest gets tight, can't breathe that well and then terrible nausea. I am now convinced its yasmin but i guess i'll wait it out till the end of the month. Previously i was on loestrin and did well, except two days out of the month i was moody/depressed and then it would clear up...if anyone has a suggestion of a pill that was good for them, please let me know.

First I want to personally thank every single one of you from the bottom of my heart.

I have been on Yasmin for over a year now. I think maybe 2 years. Well I loved the fact I didn't gain any weight at the beginning. Well I have been the biggest b*tch you could ever met. I have had this horrible yeast/bacterial infection since I began Yasmin. I hated everyone, I would stay in my room and sleep everyday if I could, I no longer wanted to have sexual relations with my fiancée, and I just hated my self. I thought I was major depressed but my mom said its something that everyone in college goes through. Now after reading this board I have realized that all this crap is because of my medicine. I have thought I was crazy. I did horrible in high school because all I would do is sleep. I always felt hungry no matter how much I ate. Thank you so much. You are ALL God sent. Thank you all. I go to my OB/GYN Monday for the yeast infections. The first thing I will tell her is I want OFF of yasmin and on to something new.

If anyone has a suggestion of what I could change to please don't hesitate to email me. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I cant thank you enough. You have made me realize I am NOT crazy.